Net Neutrality
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Curious... anyone see where any specific company is getting ready to raise prices / gouge the fuck out of us w/this 'internet throttling' shit everyone is going on about?
Not trying to be a smartass... but ffs... we've had 2 years of this 'net neutrality' in place. Before that—not a fucking thing. I for one happen to believe in the free market and EVEN IF something so stupid as a price raise from from say $13.50 to $750.00 happens (Daraprim-Martin Shkreli) there's no way the 'free market' will allow it to hold at that rate (that moronic price eventually came way down and additional providers came on the market).
So... in all sincerity... do you really think any of these web companies are really going to ALIENATE their customers by fucking us all over w/some dumbshit Shkreli pricing or do you think they're actually 'smart' enough to regulate themselves like any other company that wishes to survive in a market that only lives if there are customers to support it?
The downvote button is just off to left... enjoy your evening.
- If nothing is going to change, why do you think the ISPs have been pushing so hard to revoke this rule?yuekit
- In the early 2010s, Verizon and other ISPs actually did start throttling and blocking certain kinds of traffic such as torrents.yuekit
- There was a long court battle, and that's what resulted in the net neutrality rule being put in place.yuekit
- So when you say not a fucking thing was done before -- you're missing the timeline and series of events that led to all of this.yuekit
- So their hands aren't tied when and if they have something that's 'gold' and wish to market it a little harder (Mercedes vs. Ford)PonyBoy
- And when they market that 'mercedes' they'll learn quickly if their gamble pays off. It IS a gamble to them... this isn't life & death shit so they will have...PonyBoy
- ... to react to the customer saying 'no'.PonyBoy
- No—I didn't miss that, yue—I just stated in notes in your last post that if torrent tech wasn't used for thievery that the tech would never be in question.PonyBoy
- They have a right to protect their investments just as much as we have to buy into it... but we have no right (by law) to steal their art.PonyBoy
- Now... I know you don't disagree there. I agree that killing torrent tech is NOT the way to go either.PonyBoy
- Torrents is just one example...it could really be any disruptive technology that poses a threat to them.yuekit
- I also think it's a little too simplistic to think of it as free market vs. no free market if you have net neutrality.yuekit
- Sometimes you need a few basic rules...such as outlawing fraud or monopolistic behavior...in order to have a true functioning free market.yuekit
- well... again... we had 2 years of 'neutrality' vs. 20+ of cowboy country... ... cowboy lore almost always ends in tragedy when they cowboy is a douche :)PonyBoy
- I heeeeear you though. W/the ability to 'attack' open any big biz can lobby to kill any tech they want. :/ I suppose we should fear an Internet Monsanto.PonyBoy
- I've made the same point, PonyBoy. It's just bad business for any ISP to just turn around and fuck their long time customers because of this.monospaced
- They are regulated by the market, and would be still even if this goes throug. People are already familiar with price-tiered internet and their contract prices.monospaced
- I actually posted something quite similar in this thread yesterday and didn't receive any downvotes. Net neutrality is a good thing, so ISPs have to be careful.monospaced
- You guys seem to be assuming that the long-term social value of the internet is directly reflected in consumer preferences.yuekit
- No, I'M only saying that he's got a point saying that right now, we don't know that the ISPs are going with a worst case customer scenario with this.monospaced
- Personally, I think getting rid of net neutrality laws is a really bad idea. But I also think there's a lot of fear mongering going on about it.monospaced
- I have a more cynical take on it...my guess is that if the internet did become sanitized, watered down, more like cable TV, a lot of people might not care andyuekit
- might even like it as long as they can get their Facebook, Snapchat, etc.yuekit
- But that doesn't mean nothing of value would be lost.yuekit
- IF the internet became sanitized and watered down. The argument I'm making, and PonyBoy, is whether that will even happen at all, since no ISP said it would.monospaced
- Neither of us is arguing against net neutrality. We're just pointing out that it isn't necessarily going to be a worst case scenario as so many people are sayinmonospaced
- wait... what?.... mono? you got my back here? :D and... AND GET EXACTLY what I'm saying (and see I'm NOT against anything but just asking Q's?) <3 <3 <3PonyBoy
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- yesmonospaced