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The U.S. Media Yesterday Suffered its Most Humiliating Debacle in Ages: Now Refuses All Transparency Over What Happened
- But...you support Trump, a far worse liar. So why would you care?yuekit
- Also while Greenwald's critique of that particular story is fair game, let's not forget that Wikileaks did collude with the Trump campaign.yuekit
- As explained here (this has never been debunked or explained and is quite damning for WIkileaks):yuekit
- https://theintercept…yuekit
- It's quite sad as I used to support them but it's clear that Assange simply became a tool for the far right at some point.yuekit
- they made some serious errors which were retracted right away, this happens all the time. but because Trump and his supporters are actually the real snowflakesfadein11
- in this whole fucking embarrassing mess it becomes news lol. Have you spent much time fact-checking the dotard? oh no, thought not. another sad man blaming thefadein11
- media lol.fadein11
- @yuekit, Assange is Putin's tool, the far right is a by product of that.fadein11
- Yeah I'd say it's up for debate what his actual motivations are at this point. Maybe he's just lost his shit after being locked in a room for five years.yuekit
- yep. wikileaks had gone way downhill prior to this russia shit anyway. it had become a vanity projectfadein11
- Humiliating debacles:
MSM: 5 +/- 1
Trump: 1,000 +/- 50,000monospaced - Assange was always clear about his dislike for the Clintons, and when asked why he didn't attack Trump equally, his response was that he had nothing on him.IRNlun6
- Assange has always denied any connection to Russia. A twitter exchange offering oppositional info is not only perfectly legal, collusion is not a crime.IRNlun6
- There's more circumstantial evidence to suggest Hillary worked with Obamas Justice Department and intelligence agencies to spy on and create the Steele dossier.IRNlun6
- aside from that, this type of news is meant to perpetuate the idea of some Trump/Putin collusion that to this day has zero evidence.IRNlun6
- Greenwald made a great point on the tone of how this news was delivered. The gleeful nature, finally the evidence at last! To this day, nothing.IRNlun6
- that's why this isn't some innocent mistake. it's a repeated effort of massive breaking false stories, with very quiet retractions.IRNlun6
- it's an insidious and effective strategy because it doesn't matter how many times it's been false, it still convincing people.IRNlun6
- The thing is that Wikileaks presents itself as a neutral journalistic organization...that... clearly bullshit.yuekit
- Imagine for a moment if the CEO of the NY Times had DM'ed Chelsea Clinton during the campaign. Gave her campaign advice, coordinated publications with her,yuekit
- and then after she won asked to be appointed to an ambassadorship. That's exactly what Assange and Wikileaks did.yuekit
- The story about Wikileaks sharing the link was really just an addendum to that much more damning story.yuekit
- Coordination and collusion implies something much more organized and sinister than a series of twitter messages.IRNlun6
- Taking Trump seriously when he said Farange would be a great ambassador is a bit of a stretch. Even though I wouldn't deny he'd be fine with it.IRNlun6
- WL was publishing a shit ton of information. Many outlets were avoiding it becasue they are clearly against helping Trump in any way.IRNlun6
- That article also is incorrectly states that nothing incriminating was found and deflects to pizza gate story.IRNlun6
- Colluding with Russia would be considered a serious crime actually.monospaced
- There's a lot of information including quid-pro-quo, working directly with media, and exposed the classified nature of Hillary's emails.IRNlun6
- What makes wikileaks such villains today is Hillary Clinton. Had Bernie won the primary, this news would still be big, but wikileaks would be far less hated.IRNlun6
- No mono, surprisingly, there is no crime of collusion. If there where to be a crime it would be for alleged bribes.IRNlun6
- Another bit of information for WL that likely swayed the election for Trump. It let the Bernie fans learn they got fucked by the Clinton Campaign/Dems.IRNlun6
- IRNlun6 you are confusing and misstating things so much I wonder if you didn't read the article I posted above, or if it's intentional.yuekit
- What I was saying is this: during the campaign Wikileaks and Assange insisted they were a neutral organization not favoring either candidate.yuekit
- Meanwhile behind the scenes they were coordinating with the Trump campaign, giving them campaign advice and essentially acting as Trump operatives.yuekit
- Then after Trump won, Assange contacted Trump Jr. and requested Trump appoint him as ambassador to Australia.yuekit
- The Atlantic reported this story originally and it was not debunked, nor did Wikileaks offer any kind of apology or explanation for their actions.yuekit
- https://www.theatlan…yuekit
- Whether in doing all of this they were acting as a proxy for Russia or Russian money is another question. Certainly there are a lot of rich people in Russia whoyuekit
- are very pissed about the Magnitsky sanctions which essentially locks them out of the banking system anywhere outside of Russia.yuekit
- And there are long standing ties between Trump and Russian money (they funded him after he went bankrupt in the 90s when he no one else would lend).yuekit
- Meanwhile Trump's campaign manager worked for a Putin-backed party in Ukraine right before he worked for Trump and was paid 25 million, which he launderedyuekit
- into U.S. real estate. And we know Russia approached Trump Jr. promising dirt on Hillary in exchange for lifting sanctions.yuekit
- Now whether that means Trump himself is literally a puppet of Russia who the fuck knows. It could turn out like Iran Contra where some of the lower level guysyuekit
- take the fall and are then pardoned. But to say media made up the whole thing is ridiculous, makes me think you are only watching Trump-approved news.yuekit
- "It’s not clear what investigators will make of the correspondence." This is the correspondence that they just used to accuse Trump Jr.IRNlun6
- "American intelligence services have accused" Again, accusation and not confirmed fact.IRNlun6
- These articles debunk themselves. They makes spurious accusations. "The Secret Correspondence" Twitter, a public message board with a direct messaging feature.IRNlun6
- "American intel. services have accused the Kremlin ... deliberate effort to boost President Donald Trump’s chances while bringing down his Democratic rival"IRNlun6
- This is a sneaky sentence. Sandwiched between their interpretation of the "correspondence", and Trump Jr. turning over the messages.IRNlun6
- Like I said above...the point of that specific article is not "Russian collusion" which is a much bigger topic.yuekit
- It's that Wikileaks themselves were conspiring with the Trump campaign and even asked for payback afterwards. All while presenting themselves as neutralyuekit
- and insisting they didn't support either side in public. That alone pretty much shreds Assange's remaining credibility for me. The question of what theiryuekit
- motives were in doing this is a separate one.yuekit
- That sentence ties the allegation made by "Intelligence services" of wikileaks being Russian directed, with Trump investigation. Evidence, yet to be found.IRNlun6
- I know people have a low opinion of Trumps intelligence but do you seriously think they considered Assange to be Ambassador to Australia?IRNlun6
- No offense but you seem to struggle with reading comprehension IRNlun6. Reread my comments above...yuekit
- Trump won, and believe it or not he can completely pardon Assange, and appoint him as an Ambassador. Total legal too! He'll likely put him in prison instead.IRNlun6
- This isn't exactly the best format for conversation while both are typing.IRNlun6
- Was Assange biased towards Trump while claiming otherwise. I would agree with you, yes he was.IRNlun6
- I wouldn't say media just makes it up. I read a very strong bias. Part believing genuinely in the accusations, and part politically driven narrative.IRNlun6
- Rephrasing: Was Assange bias when claiming to be neutral? I agree that it looks like he supported Trump.IRNlun6
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