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  • Beeswax-1

    Answering Mono's and several other Atheist's erroneous assumptions.
    I'd like to thank monospaced's following claims for the inspiration.
    I don't have problems with atheists accept when they do meme-atheism that flood internets. Stupidity in religion or in any other ideology should be the real enemy.

    Common Claims:
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    the undeniable truth is that atheists do make up a lot of the scientific community that has dedicated their entire lives and purpose to solving world problems - monospaced

    and unlike the blind faith of religion or prayer, they've made some real, measureable discoveries and meaningful progress to help mankind ... in my opinion - monospaced

    most atheists just want people to stop killing each other in the name of gods, with the ideal that perhaps less religion would result in less fanatics and viole - monospaced
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    1) The history of science

    Oh look at it, we actually owe a lot of the scientific breakthroughs to religious people.
    Also people asked why I'm a muslim, because you know it promotes killing, murdering terror whatever, one of my answers is there.
    Muhammad who started a scientific golden age that lasted 700 years, in 8th century(not in 19th or 20th), from Arabian Peninsula (tribal desert people habitat) is enough of an evidence for me that he was on something really right.

    And yes, we can't deny what organised religion did to Galileo or many scientists with their extreme zealousy and cruelty. Any religious people who support that kind of a religiosity is retarded.

    2) percentage of atheist scientists in the US - %37
    I wish there was a global one but this is enough to refute the dogmatic belief that Scientists are mostly Atheists.

    In summary,
    History and today shows us that you don't need atheism to be scientific.

    Richard Dawkins style agressive atheism is not respected even among atheist communities anymore since the new age of atheists began to embrace some notions of religious practice. >>
    https://www.spectator.co.uk/2013…

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    • yeah human kind owns a lot of scientific breakthroughs to religious people.
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    • for example the first and biggest breakthrough: when they ALLOWED other people to learn how to read and write.
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    • than the second one when they allowed other people who aren't part of their own church to learn how to read and write.
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    • the third one was their biggest mistake when they allowed othe people to teach how to read and write. but still breakthrough.
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    • "Muhammad who started a scientific golden age" try to read more about this without directly looking for religious reasons.
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    • your examples doesn't make sense. maybe because I'm not knowledgeable about other religions. In Islam teaching how to read and write is a deed for example.Beeswax
    • So you can now read into why and how a scientific revolution started among first muslims.Beeswax
    • Did you look at that timeline? Did you look at any other resource before blaming me for "looking for religious reasons" I didn't manufacture facts.Beeswax
    • yeah well before Bilal arrived from Ethiopia there where a few other religions like that stuff with Jesus and the guys who didn't like this so made an other one
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    • before you can't find any sense I'm talking about Christianity and Judaism.
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    • I'm missing the invention of fire and wheel from that chart. Putting jokes aside, religions play big role how knowledge is distributed among man.
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    • For centuries the churches tried to keep the average man in the dark for various reasons.
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    • europe was outclassed and outshone by the Muslim and Chinese civilizations and only because these cultures allowed learning, reading, and unlimited knowledge.
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    • *almost unlimited knowledge :D
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    • "Moors."sonnde
    • i don't know anything but what I do know is my ancestors during the golden age of Greece achieved more and gave this planet more than anyone before or since._niko
    • They did this with science and reason, critical thinking and exploration. They put man at the centre of the universe, man could achieve anything on his own._niko
    • lol butt hurt much singling me out like that? go ahead, at the end of the day you're the one trying to say believing in mythical ghost stories is rational dudemonospaced
    • Then, we discovered the god of the Jews (the same god that Muslims would discover 600 years later) and it all went to hell for us. Scientific thought was replac_niko
    • Your conclusion btw is not only painfully obvious, it's sad because it is a failed attempt to argue something I never said in the first place.monospaced
    • Replaced by superstition and we went through a period of darkness for the next 2000 years. Carl Sagan famously said, if not for Christianity the Greeks would_niko
    • Have reached the moon 800 years before the Americans. Hard to argue with that._niko
    • Read Greeks as "Moors"sonnde
    • *moops_niko
    • your ancestors were copy/paste https://en.wikipedia…sonnde
    • In what way exactly? I know you have a hard on for all things black but Carthageans were Caucasian ( like all North Africans) so try again._niko
    • You're very confused. Original Caucasians aren't pale sir. Saying someone from Carthage is from the Caucus Mountains is foolish.sonnde
    • https://siciliangodm… Study Study Studysonnde
    • https://upload.wikim… - The peoples of the Caucasussonnde
    • Lastly, I'm not black - even though you have a thing for pale, learn yourself.sonnde
    • Sorry dude I thought you were the original son. My apologies. But just because your skin isn't pale doesn't mean you're not Caucasian._niko
    • https://en.m.wikiped…_niko
    • Also beeswax, none of those people in your infographic used religious teachings toward scientific progress. They used pure science.monospaced
    • Actually, I'm pretty sure you are the original son, which reminds me, what do you know about the son(s) of ham? The cursed people who were descendants of Noah_niko
    • And who populated Africa? Do you believe this shit? That ham and Canaan raped their father Noah and Noah cursed ham's African descendants?_niko
    • Hard core Christians have given Africans the shit end of the stick ever since. Do you buy this crap?_niko
    • So Carthaginians are Caucasian? Whenever you link an article that says someone is 'white' - you're clearly dealing w a 'ficition', its an adj not nationality.sonnde
    • No, they are Carthaginians ... thats why they are called that, they are from Carthage not Caucus. See how that works?sonnde
    • ALLEGORYsonnde
    • I'm Not African, I'm American. Autochthonous American.sonnde
    • autochthonous. I love your use of Greek. Or is that carthigian as well? :)_niko
    • Greek Is Punic.sonnde
    • Niko during the golden age of Greece your ancestor believed in 12 Gods. They were highly religious if not spiritual.Beeswax
    • Egyptians had several Gods & Goddesses, scientific? yes.
      Science does not need atheism.      Beeswax
    • You mean Greek is tunic :)_niko
    • Despite all this historical proof if any atheist still says that religion is anti-science that looks very bigoted to me.Beeswax
    • https://assets2.ello…sonnde
    • I am naive on all fronts, but I sure see a lot of anti-science being preached by religion, all over the world.formed
    • As a casual observer, that's what I see as a reality. You can mince the details about who believes what, over generalization, etc., but that doesn't dilute it.formed
    • its a difference between religion and dogmasonnde
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