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- chukkaphob-2
Well, hate him or love him or don't care, if you managed to listen/watch without any bias, Trump's speech was quality. Obviously written by someone else, but the delivery was good and we saw a different (calm, collected, more-human) Trump in his tone and demeanor.
- like harley davidson with 100% tax rate abroad?********
- "It was a conventional presidential address, delivered conventionally. Any other year, that would be unremarkable."fadein11
- "As is typical of such addresses, the text was light on policy and marinated in cliches and political pabulum, touching on most of Mr Trump's agenda in vaguefadein11
- generalities"fadein11
- Yep - was very presidential.fadein11
- touched on everything he stands forchukkaphob
- Yepfadein11
- we're at the stage where a president is praised for being able to coherently read a script.lowimpakt
- ha yes and for acting more like a president and less like a petulent child.fadein11
- should be tarred and feathereddasohr
- Oh fuck him. The next missive and he'll be back banging out Tweets at 5am while on the shitter.face_melter
- Solving drugs problems by repression, put more money in military instead of people...humanity is fucked.ApeRobot
- I'd love to see you do it fadein. Give the guy a break. He doesn't have a lifetime of training in being a politician. He probably works 16 hours a day and..********
- ...and has all of a sudden been given one of the most responsibility heavy jobs in the world. I think I'd probably mess up and come across a bit stupid too.********
- People hate him because he's said a few silly things and sometimes appears ineloquent compared to past presidents, which he is...********
- but people seriousl need to recalibrate that moral compass of theirs.********
- @set - what are you on about? I posted that it was the most presidential he has been yet. Your brain really operates on autopilot. Read things before your kneefadein11
- jerk reaction kicks in. And as everyone keeps saying, if you are not worried about the bunch of loons in his team your moral compass needs recalibratingfadein11
- Lol @ defending him again. Lol @ forgetting everything he has said and putting it down to nerves. Hilarious. You don know he just announced he is growing thefadein11
- military massively - the fucking US military is growing and you whine on about Obama's bomb count last year. You really need to have a think before you speakfadein11
- sometimes.fadein11
- lol @ assuming complete support because someone defends one or two aspects of the blind attack on someone. Do you think that's an intelligent response?********
- [insert smallbrain/simpleton insult here]fadein11
- I told you yesterday I never once said that some of the loons in his team are worrying. Have you forgotten that already?********
- aren't worrying*********
- Talk about pot calling the kettle black with the knee-jerk reactions, haha.********
- Yes but you singled me out after I commented that it was his most presidential performance yet... is that an intelligent response?fadein11
- Whatever. Too busy today. You win. You are a genius. Have a good day.fadein11
- You said it was presidential, sarcastically, after posting two quotes to defend your point. Why are you pretending otherwise now? Odd fellow.********
- I was quoting an article that said his speech was very typical of that kind of presidential address - which was surprising for Trump. So no sarcasm - just whatfadein11
- I said - most presidential performance to date. Zero sarcasm. See - your autopilot brain kicked in again and calls me an odd fellow... lolfadein11
- Regardless of that okayish performance I still despise him, but I have the ability to notice when he behaves like a leader and not a child.fadein11
- Is that clearer for you now? I would rather not have to get into another endless loop with you if at all possible.fadein11
- lol ok pal. You going back to your busy day now?********
- If you don't want to come off as a trump defender, set, then stop defending him. It's a perception thing. You attack people who criticize him. Chill guys pleasemonospaced
- I'm chilled mono - all good, just having to make my point clear to set. He misunderstood. @set - super busy today but feeling the need to explain myself as youfadein11
- insulted me yet again.fadein11
- It's too easy********
- oh come on mate - you misunderstood my post and looked a bit silly again. At least others are starting to notice your behaviour round here... really not lookingfadein11
- for an argument with you at all. Have a great day mate :)fadein11
- In a related note. Trump has had years to practice speaking. It's not a mystery anymore: he only sounds passable when he's reading a script someone else wrote.monospaced
- Most adults of his claimed background, iq and prestige don't struggle so much when speaking off script. It's just a fact of life.monospaced
- @mono - nope it's just nerves - big job and all :)fadein11
- le sighmonospaced
- and lol @ "more-human" on so many levelsmonospaced
- set didn't you say you were hard left at some point? So what about Trump's far right wing agenda is good exactly from that perspective?yuekit
- @yuekit - he did indeed in one of our great wars of 2016.fadein11
- Tax cuts for the rich, increase military spending while slashing assistance for the poor, deport millions of immigrants....it all seems very counter to left wingyuekit
- worldview....I could be wrong though :/yuekit
- I would say left-leaning with more focus on the 'grand conspiracy' ruling the world - which leads to mistrust of all governance and sympathy with anythingfadein11
- that appears to be breaking the mould.fadein11
- @yuekit it's incredible how you skewed 3 points out of more than 10 so that you can fit your own liberal anti-Trump narrative!chukkaphob
- "Tax cuts for the rich" uhm, he never said that. LOL!chukkaphob
- "increase military spending while slashing assistance for the poor" uhm, nope. Never said it'll be in favor of slashing assistance for the poor. LOL!chukkaphob
- "deport millions of immigrants" uhm, nope. Never said that; instead said that he's after illegal immigrants, especially the ones who have committed crimes. LOL!chukkaphob
- And then you ignored all the other talking points (simply because they don't fit your agenda): improving infrastructure, empowering women, ...chukkaphob
- ... taking care of the veterans, making the workplace better for working parents, making sure every child in America has access to a good education, etc.chukkaphob
- let's hope so for you guys eh, the military agenda is my biggest concern being non-Americanfadein11
- @fadein11 where are you from?chukkaphob
- UK - who ends up fighting your wars with youfadein11
- chukka why LOL? Did you bother looking into any of this stuff?yuekit
- "the top 1 percent would get about half of the benefits of his tax cuts"
http://www.npr.org/2…yuekit - "President Trump will instruct federal agencies on Monday to assemble a budget for the coming fiscal year that includes sharp increases in Defense Departmentyuekit
- spending...social safety net programs, aside from the big entitlement programs for retirees, would also be hit hard."yuekit
- https://www.nytimes.…yuekit
- @yuekit i won't even bother clicking on the links. LOL! npr? nytimes? ultra-liberal leftist propaganda. hahaha! now it all makes sense why you talk the way u dochukkaphob
- lol @ chukka calling nytimes ultra-liberal propaganda ... holy shitmonospaced
- chukkka where do you get your news from? Do you hang out on the_donald? LOLyuekit
- Do you salute a cardboard cutout of Trump every morning? Come back to reality man, the NYT and NPR didn't make those numbers up.yuekit
- In fact the tax and spending plans are coming directly from the Trump administration itself. Good luck refuting that.yuekit
- I'm an independent who doesn't support Trump. I am just sitting on the sidelines observing the left<-->right bickering and enjoying my popcorn.chukkaphob
- All I know is that both, the left&right are biased AF.
I didn't comment after reading the news; I was just commenting on what I saw on TV with my own eyes.chukkaphob - You may be an independent but calling the NYT and NPR "leftist propaganda" to the point where you refuse to even read well sourced articles suggests you areyuekit
- not exactly neutral.yuekit
- A politician in a speech says some boilerplate stuff about helping women and vets and you believe him. Reporters do a detailed analysis of his tax planyuekit
- based on facts and numbers and gets dismissed out of hand. Trump couldn't ask for a better non-supporter :/yuekit
- I listen to NPR, again, with no bias, and that's why I can clearly tell they're definitely a leftist propaganda. Forrest for the trees.chukkaphob
- I listen to AM radio as well, and all I hear is the right agenda twisting and skewing data/facts via opinionated "news reports."chukkaphob
- ...just like NP and the NYT do it on behalf of the left.
If you step outside your bias, it's all VERY clear and transparent.chukkaphob - There's 1.3% news reported and 98.7% biased opinions passed on as news.chukkaphob
- What is propaganda about it? You're saying they just made up the numbers in the article I posted?yuekit
- Anyway. See my original post. I was making the point that the speech and delivery were quality & a new tone, if you don't watch through political bias lenses.chukkaphob
- I don't know man, I don't think it makes sense to compare NPR to right wing talk radio. Maybe there is some left-leaning slant in terms of the subject matteryuekit
- but they are at least a genuine news organization that does real reporting. And same goes for New York Times.yuekit
- How about Wall Street Journal?
"Nearly half the benefits of the plan, and a higher proportion of savings, would go to the top 1%"yuekit - https://www.wsj.com/…yuekit
- I find it disturbing when people simply dismiss things they don't want to be true based on ad hominem "leftist propaganda" or "fake news."yuekit
- OK, fair enough; I'll admit I hesitated to click on the links because of the sources and was expecting to see yet another opinion column passed on as news.chukkaphob
- I didn't know you were citing articles with raw data. MMy bad on that. But even when you look at the data, it does look that the middle class will benefit.chukkaphob
- Why are people so hung up on how the tax code will benefit the wealthy? Most wealthy people contribute to the well being of society.chukkaphob
- It looks like the plan will benefit the middle class, and part of the lower class, and the 1% as well, and not just the 1%.chukkaphob
- Well for one thing because Trump has offered no means to pay for the plan which means it will add trillions to the deficit.yuekit
- So think about it...trillions in tax savings for the rich which gets added to the deficit, which we then all owe equally.yuekit
- Also unclear why a tax break for the rich is needed right now at a time of record inequality. Half the benefits go to 1%? That's crazy.yuekit
- You do know that (MOST) of the wealthy are NOT evil, right? (even if the likes of Bernie and the biased leftist propaganda paints them as evil) Right?chukkaphob
- And that they spend their wealth. Right? And reinvesting their wealth stimulates the economy. Right? And that their wealth is not $ that vanishes. Right?chukkaphob
- And that large percentage of the wealthy are brilliant people who deserve their status. Right?chukkaphob
- Or maybe you disagree on all that?chukkaphob
- I think an economy that gets too unbalanced in terms of rich vs. poor is less efficient and actually hurts capitalism.yuekit
- What you're talking about here is what they call trickle down economics, give tax breaks to the ultra rich and it will "trickle down" the rest of society.yuekit
- It's a theory that sounds great if you are one of those rich people getting a huge tax cut.yuekit
- George Bush tried the same policy, his tax cuts were similar to what Trump's proposing, and the middle class has actually seen a decline since then whileyuekit
- deficit has skyrocketed.yuekit
- It's just funny what is viewed as acceptable in U.S. politics...imagine if someone proposed spending $5 trillion to help the bottom 1% of society. That would beyuekit
- viewed as completely insane, but for some reason we're all expected to go deeper into debt so the rich can get a tax cut.yuekit
- @yuekit I see your views and I'm glad I engaged in this discussion with you. Some good points and real data shared and a civil exchange of thought. Thanks dude!chukkaphob
- While I often disagree with yuekit, he's always a class act. I usually prefer the calling everyone stupid cunts approach personally.********
- thanks guys, I agree and the worst thing you can do is seal yourself off in a bubble and never listen to different point of view.yuekit
- I'm in Indonesia right now, yesterday smoked up with a local and listened to him rant about how Islam is mathematical and the world is going to end in a coupleyuekit
- decades when Jesus returns and kills the Illuminati. Point being, our disagreements are relatively minor in the grand scheme of things :)yuekit
- like harley davidson with 100% tax rate abroad?