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the underlying problem of a modern-day human forming his/her worldview around a justification for the state by rationalizing it's existence which is the continuation of society being dominated by its class of rich and powerful - justifying it as if it were the will of the people, such like the constitution states 'We the people' - the problem with this is trying to find, throughout history, the line between force on society - forcing them to be controlled by something such as government - versus the people voluntarily enabling it. you see, when i look at history i see it totally being forced upon the people without any voluntary will of the people whatsoever - in fact history is being written the same way now b/c the IRS forcibly takes from us to pay for endless war. The real truth is that throughout the history of the world the state was never of voluntary free will of the people - it was always shoved down our throats by the rich and powerful whether we agreed or not. thus, how can we wake up everyday and perpetuate a lie - that all of this is FUBU (for us by us.. lol i thought that was funny).
- seems like a grim determinist way to look at democracy. what do you suggest as an alternative********
- my utopian world would be where each person lives under such basic philosophy as namaste - in respect/harmony with everything rather than fear/controlbliznutty
- keep dreaming pal, when it comes right down to it might has always and always will be right. we are just violent animals with a delusion of sophistication that********
- crumbles away all too quickly********
- i'd give you the benefit of the doubt but here lies the underlying problem in which i'm referring to.. its a chicken & egg discussion. perhaps state/militarybliznutty
- dominance are the violent animals and its order over society a delusion of sophistication. i'm basing my perception off of today's reality and historical.bliznutty
- agreed but we know which came first, human nature came first before the social construct and still does when it comes right down to it********
- i guess the namaste approach is undermined by the sheer volume of people on this earth. i forget where i heard the analogy but it's a case of 'too many monkeys********
- in the cage"********
- technology is innovative! i don't find democracy very innovative at all. democracy (both intentions and results) is very anti-liberty and anti-namastebliznutty
- think so? tell me, what better alternative is there without delving into silly shit about holding hands and wearing flipflops hunter gathering********
- lolmonospaced
- Based on the technology comment i thought he was going to respond with something about a global benevolent artificial intelligence or something********
- terry, your conjectural perceptions of 'human nature' vs. 'social construct' don't impress me. https://en.wikipedia…bliznutty
- and your modern notions of 'human rights' don't impress me. It's not conjecture bliznutty, it's how humanity operates without a governing body to enforce these********
- 'rights'. namaste doesn't mean shit when people are in competition for limited resources********
- google 'state of nature' and click on the inevitable wikipedia entry. in other words, if people think they can get away with it, they will reliably choose to vi********
- -olate your flimsy notions of 'rights'. practically speaking, you have no rights that aren't granted to you by social construct. but then again, people who talk********
- about namaste and such tend to be really uncomfortable with anything resembling pragmatism********
- terry you think you know it all. trust me you don't. the government is not FUBU https://www.youtube.…bliznutty
- the state is a predator on its citizens and has nothing to do with 'limited resources' as you speak. there is NO social contract -otherwise show me my signaturebliznutty
- terry you are an absolute professor of bullshitbliznutty
- i googled 'state of nature' and it is exactly what i'm telling you. it's hypothetical (conjectural) and used as philosophy by religion/statists to..bliznutty
- ..justify their power over society. why are you telling me to google such ridiculous bullshit?!bliznutty
- Why are you so upset, I never said the government is 'FUBU'. I asked you what your proposed alternative is to democracy. My flip flop comment must have really********
- Bothered you for you to start personally attacking me. Let's get back to the rational conversation we were having before you became disgruntled********
- And I told you to Google the state of nature because you posted a wiki page about human rights which seemed to me a non sequitur********
- If you pay taxes you have signed into the social contract, it's not some philosophical conundrum. As far as whether or not the 'state of nature' is conjectural********
- , all you have to do is take a look at areas of the world where there is both poverty and a lack of law enforcement, not a lot of namaste going on, but sure, ab********
- -solve humanities responsibility for its constant brutality and blame it on 'the man'. It's not 'the man' bliznutty, it's just 'man'********
- seems like a grim determinist way to look at democracy. what do you suggest as an alternative