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  • Is there an image of the old set up, for comparison? Y'know in the interests of fairness, and all that?detritus
  • i think its 159 new dept created.yurimon
  • take that, add 500 more things in it, shake it hard for 2min, and you'll have the Canadian Health Care system chart.Ben99
  • cos you know, it's better to have a simpler chart and fuck more people out of their medicare...BuddhaHat
  • obviously you haven't seen the monetary policy chart that screws people out of affordable livingyurimon
  • 'Their healcare' Buddha? You are not owed health care. It is a service you pay money for. Only difference is that now you have the inept beurocrats fucking with
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  • i work in health care and i find this hilarioussarahfailin
  • yeah but are you in the bureau?yurimon
  • whats funny i that you guys agree with bernie that healthcare is to expensive.yurimon
  • Riiiight. 'It's too expensive, force someone else pay for me, I am entitled to be cared for by the government like a small child'
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  • the cost of care in the US is incredibly high compared to other countries. at least 2-3 times the cost for usually worse quality. the numbers don't lie.sarahfailin
  • it's not that we need the government to "pay for us" it's that there need to be incentives for hospitals etc to control costs, and currently there aren't anysarahfailin
  • having a strong, central negotiator as through a public option insurer could accomplish this. single payer likewise.sarahfailin
  • so there is too much fuckery with the regulations and insurance which has driven the price of doing business sky high, and you suggest more regulatory bodies?
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  • it's never, 'oh shit, this isn't working', it's 'full steam ahead, more bureaucracy, plus artificial incentives that contradict the nature of private industry'
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  • You Fellows are hilarious. "...but it's SO complex and difficult, we should give up" . No wonder your space programme is dead.Morning_star
  • simple. oversight cost half makes it double. the subsidy cost makes it double. devalued currency makes it double.yurimon
  • @gilgamush, that's the core difference between the US and other advanced Western nations. You believe medical care is a privilege.BuddhaHat
  • Other advanced nations believe you -are- owed healthcare. And everyone's healthier, and it's cheaper. Crazy, right?BuddhaHat
  • The 'I'm not paying for that fucker's treatment' mentality brings the whole system down a notch. In the case of the US, several notches.BuddhaHat
  • im sure people would happily contribute if it was a system that worked well or better.yurimon
  • Gilgamush got told.
    
    Again.
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  • not much rights if you are older i guess.yurimon
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  • So I got told huh. Nice simplistic diagnosis of the issue Buddha. So private health care is the cause of the huge amount of obesity is it. Of the huge elderly
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  • Population and various other onvious differences you have conveniently ommited in your one size fits all diatribe. Get real
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  • And for the record, nobody thinks health care is a privilege, where do you come up with this shit. Health care is a commodity that functions like any other ser
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  • Services or goods. The moment you pit it in the utterly inept hands of the beurocracy it becomes ten times less efficient. So your country has a better beurocra
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  • Beurocracy than the u.s.', congrats, doesn't mean that approach works over here simply because it works elsewhere, seems pretty obvious
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  • Did someone say something?
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  • yea ok troll, are you only here to get little jabs in on me or do you have something to say about the topic
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  • that is one ugly chart.pango
  • That's exactly the mindset I was referring to gilga, it's not a commodity for any other advanced nation. Other nations have obesity & ageing population problemsBuddhaHat
  • as well. And that's not relevant to the discussion anyway. If you have to pay money for something, and some people are unable to pay for itBuddhaHat
  • doesn't that make it a 'privilege'? Some people can have it and some can't. Pretty simple.BuddhaHat
  • bureaucracy doesn't have the impact on medical costs, the business model does. And your govt allowing big pharma to charge insane prices.BuddhaHat
  • I see that we have come to a difference of opinion, just understand that the u.s. is a very different place than whatever tiny socialist country you are compar
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  • Comparing it to. This is the nation of sink or swim. Opportunity is everywhere, make excuses all you'd like, the rest of us are struggling to carve out a piece
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  • Of our own manifest destiny. Nothing is owed to you here. Man up or shut up. I am a second generation American, nothing was handed to me, and yet, the well off
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  • Bleeding hearts who say they have my best intentions at heart would try to convince me that I am somehow entitled to all sorts of things. No fucking thank you
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  • America. Where getting sick can bankrupt you.BuddhaHat
  • Yup, America, where your health and well being are your own personal responsibility and not everyone else's
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  • "Murica! Fuck you! that's why!"pango

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