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"The general claims from those that foster scientific materialism/reductionism are that: humans are biological robots, mind is the same as brain, Conciousness is an illusion, there is nothing beyond the material and science understands the nature of all of the fundamental building blocks of the universe."
Here's where I think you misunderstand. No serious scientist thinks that we understand the building blocks of the universe or that it's all limited to a certain set of particles...that's the whole point of their job, to try and figure these things out. And of course there are materialist explanations for what started the Big Bang, the multiverse theory is one. Who knows if they will ever figure it out, but there's no reason why you would just give up at that point.
As far as the other ones go, there is nothing in there at all that rules out a material explanation. You can believe that the mind is separate from the brain or that consciousness is a force out there floating around in space and still have a materialist explanation for it. In fact that would be the first explanation you would look for since it's the simplest.
The bigger question is what a non-material explanation for these things (one that you can't even measure of quantify) would even mean. How can mind interact with physical reality if it isn't itself physical? Any time you invoke an "unanswerable explanation" whether it's supernatural powers or God it just raises the question of what caused those things and how they work.
- well said.OP31
- There is a limit to contemplating the physical world through science. consciousness is the missing link to where quantum science on the physical level fails.yurimon
- physics fails...yurimon
- eventually new techniques will emerge. but over all their wiill be holistic approach.yurimon
- Also to add. the materialistic approach has raped the world and left you in bondage... so go figure that out.yurimon
- yuri, you're turning "science" into a catch-all whipping boy for everything you perceive as bad or can't understand. you're confusing human weaknesses like selfishness and greed with the scientific method, "the materialist approach", and industrialism. the fact that you can't tell the difference makes me cringe every time you type this ignorant shitscarabin
- confusing human weaknesses like selfishness and greed with the scientific method, "the materialist approach", and industrialism. the fact that you can't tell the difference makes me cringe every time you type this ignorant shitscarabin
- industrialism. the fact that you can't tell the difference makes me cringe every time you type this ignorant shitscarabin
- if religion get perverted and corrupted, you still call it religion. so same with science.yurimon
- Real science is at a road block in dealing with consciousness,. its stuck. get it unstuck? how?yurimon
- that's what the scientific method is for. that's why science exists. removing roadblocks in our understanding. sitting around praying won't help, i guarantee it.scarabin
- praying won't help, i guarantee it.scarabin
- you make fun of "magic" but magic is precisely what you're positing to be the solution to understanding everything.scarabin
- please tell me you're not so fucking stupid you can't see this.scarabin
- Your perception is scewed through modern rhetoric. well science failed. old gnosis seems to well explaining.yurimon
- all the dieties you think are myth represent natural phenomenon. science has changed the names but you dont see it. cause too smart for you own goodyurimon
- smart for you own good. Alot of fallacies involved in modern thought process you need resolve.yurimon
- like ether was called considered a myth which became quantum vacuum. based of same concept. explain that.yurimon
- explain what? that we used to think thunder was Zeus farting before science showed us it wasn't?scarabin
- that's literally all you've just said, besides the fact that we rename things once we better understand themscarabin
- i still call it zeus fartingOP31
- lol we also believed the world was flat, does that mean it still is?OP31
- the materialists what you to think its round, but its flat in or consciousnessOP31
- *sarcasmOP31
- i'm curious about what yuri's like the rest of his day. can he even get his pants on by himself?scarabin
- what's it like being crazy, yuri? do you even see the same colors we d?scarabin
- world was flat to the idiot. vikings were advance they were in north America already.yurimon