Pulling the plug on a website
Pulling the plug on a website
Out of context: Reply #19
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Indulge me. For some sort of meat space analogy... if you didn't pay a contractor final payment for some renos (reason not important)... would you be cool if they put up a sign on your lawn telling all your neighbors you're a dirtbag that doesn't pay? A big ol' bag o' dicks! Then they put a steel and lucite lock box over it, cemented in and you can't easily remove it until you pay and they come back. Is that cool?
I won't even address the idea if they could rip the reno out (though in some cases they could take fixtures etc.) like a site can be taken down.
This would NEVER happen. They call collections, they hassle you and they lien your property so that you can't sell or use it for collateral.
- Wouldn;t your neighbors sympathize and think the contractor was a dick?ETM
- Much like many SF Fitness customers are likely doing for SF Fitness?ETM
- calm downmonospaced
- Perception can be as powerful as right and wrong.ETM
- He deserves to paid, no doubt. I just can't rally around his methods.ETM
- When that next client screws you. See how well those collection agencies work out for you.omg
- in 10 years I have been screwed out of $500 dollars, because I am smart enough to enforce contracts and work on milestones.ETM
- milestones. No exceptions. It has rarely been a problem for my clients, either.ETM
- So I have little sympathy for bitching, moaning or sympathizing over piss poor business sense.ETM
- while that may be, doesn't excuse a company for screwing their designeromg
- nor blame a designer for rightfully defending themselves.omg
- but when push comes to shove... money can create disadvantages to force a designer to make bad business decisions.omg
- ... decisions unfortunately. why else would one work for 6 months without pay to follow a false promise.omg
- I have sympathy for not being paid. I have none for putting yourself in that position. I have none for complainers.ETM
- We simply have to agree to disagree is all. I understand your view point, I just approach it all differently.ETM
- In the early days of my business and money was tight, I sold electronics part time. It was shit. But I preferred that over complaining, or taking on clients without value.ETM
- complaining or taking on clients without value. I adhered to proper business practice.ETM
- I did this because I saw so many around me trying to claw their way out of the pit of low charge rates and being taken advantage of, under the guise of 'getting experience' or 'making a name'.ETM
- advantage of, under the guise of 'getting' experience or 'making a name'.ETM
- So I apologize, I am less sympathetic to many common plights in out industry that can be overcome. Including working without seeing money flowing.ETM
- working without money flowing from the client. That how I see the industry changing, not immature acts like this designer.ETM
- Sorry, I know. TLDR. Shut the hell up! ;/ETM
- while I understand your point that handling business better in the beginning would avoid these issues...omg
- i think this was an act of desperation on the designer's end.omg
- easily solvable with money.omg
- i don't see it as immature, but rather an act of desperation.omg
- and out of desperation, the designer turned to himself, to solve the matter at hand.omg
- it's more about survival, rather than worrying if whether or not, one has handled himself properlyomg
- because true immaturity, does not involve intelligently detailing truth, something many companies would like to hideomg
- this was presented very maturely by a designer who was put into a corner.omg
- for a business focused on health, they seem to be forcing death upon their designersomg
- companies need to care more for the people they employ. out of all fairness, you work, you get paid.omg
- That argument is invalidated though when he links from that page to another where he calls them "bag of dicks" etc. He invalidated himself by doing so. Thus my view of immaturity.ETM
- invalids himself, and hence my view of immaturity.ETM
- 'Tis a good debate, though :DETM
- well, emotions run deep when people steal from you... how can you hold that against someone?omg
- out of the 512 words on the main page to their customers, there is no colorful descriptions that you mentioned.omg
- all were very humble, and mature written wordsomg
- off site, in a small caption under a photo, a small mention of how the designer truly felt. far from immaturity.omg
- freedom of expression. and its the designer who has to live with the painful memory of a project gone bad.omg
- i think the comments below show the remorse for the designer. i know something you do not stand for.omg