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- luckyorphan0
Viking Rule #5: Stop paying union workers ridiculous wages. Union workers put out 1/3 less productivity then private employees. For example, A GM factory worker should not make $100,000 a year. I think something in the $50,000 range would be much more realistic with a profit sharing plan for incentive.
What makes that a ridiculous wage? On what do you base your "$50,000 range"? Is that in all American cities? Or would you adjust that for cities in which it is more expensive to live? Or should factories only exist in low-cost states?
As I'm sure you know, wages have remained stagnant for the last thirty years in America (thanks in large part due to the continuing waning power of unions), while the cost of living has gone up considerably. Only access to and abuse of credit cards have kept the standard of living in American homes at a moderate level, and we see where that has gotten the country.
To me, the real question is, why haven't wages in the private sector kept up with the cost of living while corporate profits have skyrocketed, income distribution has been blown way out of proportion, pensions have become a thing of the past and health care become astronomically expensive?
As far as I'm concerned, $100k for a factory worker is about right, if not a little low. The rest of the American work force should be brought UP to be in line with those standards that established a strong working and middle class over fifty years ago. Instead, today the average CEO makes 430 times as much as their average production worker. In 1965, the average CEO made 24 times as much. You cannot convince me that this is doesn't make sense.
Those who have the money, do what they can to keep the money, and get more of it.
- Oops...#6, I mean.luckyorphan
- unions are free market but the methods behind them are terrible. coercion, political handouts, laws and regulation********
- i cant say wby my beliefs not to have unions. they can do good, but mostly used for profiteering/votes********
- i think companies should stand up and kick union workers if they make them unprofitable and people should support it instead of saying these poor workers********
- if not it makes unprofitable compaines liek gm and union officals get tax payer handouts. when unions become hoffa gangs its time to draw a line********
- What evidence are you basing this on, DB? Good to see you again, btw.luckyorphan
- gangs its time to draw a line. pay is determined by both peopel not one side. its mutual. and if that relationship is held withotu coercion im good********
- is held with outcoercion im okay. even if its high as long as if the co. errors arent paid by other people********
- sry lucky was ranting. what evidence.. what specifically were u looking for on the subject? i was ranting so not sure excat specific********
- sure exact specific********
- "They can do good, but mostly used for profiteering/votes." You're basing this on factual info?luckyorphan
- cant do it without generalizing. but i put forth the amount of private unions declining and increase in public********
- and the history with jimmy hoffa and all union philosophy from mafia to whatever.********
- there is money to be made while compensating those you rule. however the well always will run dry when it gets too large********
- large. in this case the public sector no being able to afford the the demands of the labor. in this case its best for scabs to get employed********
- get employed. they fight hard agaisnt scabs to coerce their will. its fucked up.********
- if a man says hey i can work for less, especially becuas ei need work. its jsut wrong for unions to pressure agaisnt that********
- the unions ultimate goal is to have enough labor that no one will work, but still the well will be dry********
- and somethign will have to break. much like the WI stuff. Hank stamper would have soemthign to say********