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You know what's interesting though? Social democracy or social liberalism has produced by far the best living conditions for humans in the history of the world. In a way it's strange that American conservatives spend so much time dissing it and assuming they know a better way.
Of course, this is an appealing argument for people. We used to do things the right way, and then we went off course. Think about the Bible and the idea of original sin. Doesn't mean it's true though. It just sounds better than, yeah we were fuck ups then, we're fuck ups now, and its going to take some work:)
To be fair, the constitutionalist, minimalist approach to government probably worked pretty well when we were an agrarian society. If you own your own farm, and spend your days milking cows, plowing fields, and chopping heads off chickens, what do you need any government programs for? However once you talk about any sort of advanced society, you do need them.
And in a way I think that's what social liberalism is, a way of making industrial society livable. It may be that society changes again as we move more into the information age and more towards (my guess will be) a freelance, decentralized, entrepeneurial approach rather than a top-down corporate one.
- cant argue with that jefferson liked the ideas of farmers. social democracy is much liek what they did with slave labor.********
- the majoirty gets the benefit at the sacrifices of others. you dont get a good rate or progression equal to that with sacrifices********
- sacrifices. if we stayed true with jefferson ideology we may have been overun by germans in ww2.********
- there is merits of socialized democracies but you have to see both sides. and the general populace will always be at the whim of the rulers********
- whim of the rulers. i prefer individualism ideals to collective ones. they have different advantages********
- have you ever read a brave new world? a great book. also huxleys island is awesome********
- i actually prefer island over BNW. But BNW is more famous probably because of orwell********
- but i only knock collectiveist political practices becuase they don't sync up with my ideology. i cant knock someone whos chooses one or the other********
- chooses one or the other and clearly sees both as they are. i jsut dont liek peoples illusions of one or the other********
- how they try to have there cake and eat it to ignoring all logic.********
- and i just relaized i may be taking your social liberalism/democracy as defined by peopel i know and not you********
- my bad. i really don't know how you define it, wether it be textbook or your twist with personal ideology********
- Brave New World was Huxley and not Orwell, right?********
- And you have to realize there are many variations on these kinds of beliefs********
- For instance, Orwell wrote against totalitarianism, but he was a left-wing Socialist and even fought in the Anarchist Revolution in Spain.********
- Revolution in Spain.********
- Socialism isn't equivalent to tyrannical government********
- More tyrannical than no government maybe, but like I said you gotta find a balance:)********
- i realize there are many forms of beliefs for sure. it is all about a balance. im for more than others but i value all others********
- cant argue with that jefferson liked the ideas of farmers. social democracy is much liek what they did with slave labor.