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I think you are living under the illusion that we aren't always at the mercy of the government. The Constitution, Bill of Rights, etc, don't guarantee anything. The "life, liberty and pursuit of happiness" (whatever that means, it's kind of vague isn't it?) part can easily be taken away by an authoritarian government too. Some might argue that Bush took away some of that with the extremist laws he passed following 9-11.
The government could easily rewrite the Constitution too. The only thing stopping it from doing these things is...the willingness of people to let it happen. So again, I think you end up at the view I expressed earlier...what people demand, they will get. What they don't will be taken away.
That isn't an argument for some kind of unlimited welfare state. But I don't think it makes sense to arbitrarily limit it either. It's all about whatever creates the best outcome. And especially in a democracy, that will lean in the direction of providing a better standard of living, and better human rights, because that's what people want.
- not an illusion an ideology. yes todays stuff is far from the original ideology. i see it but i dont have to accept it as better.********
- the ideology with government being created to uphold the basic rights, vs gov creating all rights********
- and a gov creatign all rights doesnt have to be a welfare state it could be ran much many ways********
- however all progress is probably at the cost of a minority, much like us did with slaves. or jsut collapses.********
- and the life liberty pursuit of happiness i don't think is to vague. think of it like a codec********
- oh and the ideology i prescribe to the gov works for us not the other way around. yes today we are there bitch********
- but then again individually im not under the will of anyone. they can try to impose it and we'll see what happens. collectively we're bitches********
- collectively we're bitches********
- Speak for yourself:D********
- I know where you're coming from, it's the conservative originalist school of thinking********
- But consider maybe that it's not the be all, end all of things********
- ha its more aristotle then conservative. and i know its not the end all it goes in cycles********
- much liek the seasons. i'd jsut liek to try to get peopel to extend summer a little longer********
- In American politics, it's the same view that most conservatives have********
- yea i get it but the conservative term has much more negativeness connected to it. just didnt want to pigeonhole it********
- teammates will here conservative and instantly shut out the ideas. sometimes to give credit to individuals to prevent the collective mantality********
- prevent the collective mentality. to ignore there enemies ideas********
- not an illusion an ideology. yes todays stuff is far from the original ideology. i see it but i dont have to accept it as better.