Jesus Camp
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You know what's kind of interesting, have ever you noticed that even people who are not religious tend to buy into the Christian portrayal of Jesus? By that I mean the idea that Jesus was a super nice guy, altruistic, helped the poor, etc etc. And for all we know maybe he was. We don't really know much about Jesus except that he claimed to experience supernatural contact with God, was murdered by the Romans, and looked kind of like a benevolent Middle Eastern hippie.
But on the other hand consider the closest things we've got to a modern Jesus. That would be people like Joseph Smith, L. Ron Hubbard, and David Koresh. Most people, even members of other religions, wouldn't give them a pass on their claims of supernatural experience and so on just because they preached some things that happen to be positive. Instead they would describe them as amoral, delusional con artists.
So in the end, if you DON'T believe in The Bible, one of the following has to be true:
a) Jesus didn't exist.
b) Jesus was a kind hearted, selfless guy who was deified by his followers who falsified large parts of his life story.
c) Jesus was delusional or lying, due to being a massive egomaniac, con artist, or complete nutcase.
If personality types tend to repeat themselves, Jesus could have been a lot more like a Joseph Smith or a David Koresh than most people think. Saying you are the Son of God actually goes beyond what most of those guys even claimed. Isn't it even possible he faked his own death in order to say that he had "risen from the dead?"
I guess this is all pointless speculation in the end, and maybe Jesus really was nice/hippie Jesus. Or maybe he never existed. But if it does happen to be true, the implication is kind of disturbing, because it means that the Western world for the past 2,000 years has been following the teachings of a delusional con artist.
- Yeah, I find it offensive because obviously you don't know what you're talking about. I may be the most open christian ever,GeorgesII
- but you're rant is pure speculation, I have faith because I believe in an ideal, you believe obviously believe people with faith are all dumb shit who got con,GeorgesII
- faith are dumb shit,
why is it that only in US christian are bat shit crazy, have you ever wonder why? you don't see this in korea,GeorgesII - in korea, you don't see it in Irak, you don't see it in belgium nor italy, you only see crazy christians in the USA. this is the problemGeorgesII
- problemGeorgesII
- I see crazy christians and normal christians no matter where i am. are you fucking kidding me? the us just has issues with nationalism.spifflink
- nationalism. no reason to get bent out of shape. dont put religion on a pedestal. anything worth believing has to survive speculation.spifflink
- speculationspifflink