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- mathinc0
From a few pages back...
"Someone name for me a country that has a non government, completely free market health care system that gets good results at low cost."
We did. Until the gov decided it was in the best interests to mandate insurance companies to play middle man between you and your doctor. Thus inflating prices across the board and driving us into the situation we have now. As far as I'm concerned the debate boils down to Gov Waste vs Corp Profits, which one do we want less? No one is talking about actually making care better or streamlined. Even people pushing the gov plan will tell you that theirs isn't going to save much money as far as cost. They pitch it as 'competing' against insurance companies, but how exactly can you compete, to drive down corp prices, when your costs are the same? Doesn't make any sense. Problem is, once we start down the public road, the private option is toast, it'll only be a matter of time. So if we choose Gov Waste over Corp Greed then it'll be our only option. And just like every monopoly, the consumer runs a bigger risk of being abused. I'm not advocating either option, I think we need to have a real debate about where health costs are incurred and how we can get those to a level that serves the majority, because I really don't see either of the choices we're being given now fixing anything.
Some History:
"From their beginnings, HMOs were designed--by Democrats and Republicans--to eliminate individual health insurance. The result is a vast network of health care collectives (HMOs, PPOs, Point-of-Service plans) created by government that are destined to do harm to individuals.
The individual was first discouraged from buying insurance in 1942 when employee health premiums were made tax deductible to employers--not to individuals. Congress created Medicare in 1965, making individual insurance for those over 65 obsolete. Subsidized, unrestricted health care for seniors lead to an unprecedented frenzy of spending by patients and doctors.
Costs went up, introducing an economic obstacle to individual health insurance. As costs rose, those on the New Left, including then freshman Sen. Ted Kennedy, argued that government ought to pay for everyone's health care and promoted the idea of a health maintenance organization, a term coined by a left-wing college professor.
President Nixon appeased the left and proposed the HMO Act, which Congress passed in 1973. The law created new, supposedly cheaper health coverage with millions of dollars to HMOs, which, until then, constituted a small portion of the market. Kaiser Permanente was the only major HMO in the country by 1969 and most of its members were compelled to join through unions.
Combined with Medicare, the HMO Act eventually eliminated the market for affordable individual health insurance."
- FranceGeorgesII
- From "Capitalism Magazine"? ORLY? Hold on, let me find a non-biased "Communist Magazine" article for rebuttalTheBlueOne
- So these events aren't factual or are you just being a cunt?mathinc
- I used to like you Brian, but lately you're turning into a condescending prick. You should step away for a break.mathinc
- i think i have to agree with mathinc here. what's going on tbo? you need a break dude.sigg