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No ukit, actually we don't all act the same. One need look no further than this very thread to witness variations in maturity, wisdom and self control. Unfortunately many people who call themselves Christians do not adhere to the royal law given in Scripture, to "love your neighbor as yourself." Of course I won't lay claim to following this mandate perfectly—no one can—but it's something I strive for. Not because of karma, not because of some desire to feel good by making others feel good, but because I want to bring glory to God.
VectorMasked, you say that it's atrocious to impose one's beliefs on another. I think Georges is out of line in throwing the label sinner around, since we are all sinners, but there is nothing wrong in him stating his belief that the universe is God-authored rather than chance-authored—anymore than it would be wrong for you to say the opposite, which you so effusively and vehemently do. You lack proof of God's un-existence, so your claims are just as dogmatic as Georges'. And I must tell you, this bit about people being "abused" by their parents' faith is totally absurd and based in nothing but emotional blather. Every parent raises their children with some worldview or another. We are incapable of not worshipping. That which is most important to you, that which you pour yourself into above all other pursuits and passions—that is your god. It is unavoidable. Now, when everyone reaches the age where reason and decision-making become possible, each person should be able to test and approve for themselves what they believe. I for one have tested, doubted, questioned, poked and prodded my faith for loopholes and my belief has only been made stronger.
You ask for proof of God's existence. I submit to you that we are His proof. Our need to worship, a unique trait among all known creatures, means that there is a metaphysical More that we desire, even need. We have consciences—St. Paul says in Romans that God's moral code is written on our hearts—thus, we feel guilty when we lie, cheat, steal, harm. You may say that we are born as blank slates and that conscience is imposed by upbringing, but I would counter that such a notion is incorrect. We are all products of vastly different upbringings, and yet somehow everyone feels guilty when they lie, cheat or steal, even if their conscience becomes weakened through suppression. Regardless of culture, race, or creed, we all feel compelled to develop excuses for our shameful actions.
In short, we have souls as evidenced above, and souls are such purposeful things that they cannot logically be products of chance.
- you shouldn't mis-represent evolution by calling it 'chance-authored'.ribit
- cos its much more than 'chance'ribit
- eloquent as usual :) well said.designbot
- Nonsense. It's mental abuse because the children have no choice. Imposed thoughts shape the person's personality.VectorMasked
- Every single parent imposes their belief system on their children. I'm sorry man but you can't call that abuse. Not by a long shot.gramme
- long shot.gramme
- it is abuse though. just because its widespread doesn't make it NOT abuse.spifflink
- georges came out and said there was a god, he has the burden of proof, not vector masked.spifflink
- and your last paragraph is pretty terrible, and a logical fallacy. conscience is explained within a darwiniam framework.spifflink
- Just because it doesn't make sense to you, that doesn't make it a logical fallacy.gramme
- no its is circularspifflink