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- tommyo0
btw, seeing as you know much more than I do about government. Would you think that the founding fathers would be proud or pissed about government today? Seeing as the nation has changed a lot in all areas of life since the framers outlined the roles of government, also the world politics are different as well with the UN and trade policies etc etc. Do you think they'd approve of the changes of government considering it in context of all the other changes? Just wondering about your opinion. I have one but I also haven't read many of the articles and papers from the framers, I just have a limited knowledge of the spirit of the constitution and it seems like gov today is pretty far from what they intended. But I'm not sure if they expected the boundaries to change slightly with time either.
- I think they'd be amazed it really did last this long.TheBlueOne
- The founders were also far more worldy and cynical than their mythologized. Which is a good thing.TheBlueOne
- After you read those books we'll talk...curious to see your thoughts afterwards.TheBlueOne
- rebel aristocrats with slaves: lets be honest.********
- I think that's a very narrow view with no respect for context capsize..TheBlueOne
- ..although factually accurate. But it's a hindsight judgement.TheBlueOne
- narrow, maybe,but nonetheless true.********
- context is by and large excuses shortcomings. You cannot espouse slavery and liberty in the same breath w/o deserving opprobrium.********
- opprobrium. They knew more than most the economic necessity of slavery to their way of life.********
- that way of life was threatened not by a slave insurrection but by their masters in Whitehall.********
- You might find War for America by Piers Mackesy interesting.********
- hindsight? well yes, but why pretend slavery then was any different than now? Especially in view of "inalienable rights"?********