spore vs jesus
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"I do however still think that all religions are mutually exclusive."
Doctrinally speaking I wouldn't argue with you on that. However I will say this - I imagine that when one compares the legalistic orders of religions (priests, clerics, etc.) one will encounter much friction when it comes to discussion. I imagine that the more contemplative orders (monks and mystics for example) would probably get along pretty well across religious divides."The idea that all paths lead to the same God, is basically a New-Age idea. No practicing religion will hold this belief."
New Age as in idea expressed by the ancient greeks. They called it pantheism. Like most things the greeks were there first. Long before bad books about it were sold with rainbow colors in Berkley."It is an increasingly popular view that everything is relative, where all paths lead to the same God. But to me this leaves an ambigious, global "religion" where nobody is really accountable for anything. "
How are relativism and accountability mutually exclusive?
"What can be said of this? People say hey "that works for you great, but my truth is.....xyz"
Jesus himself said that,no? That the ways of the old testament are great, but this stuff I'm laying down is the new deal.
"You can't create "truth", there simply has to some objective moral standard. For me, that is the Bible. For others that is the Book of Mormon, or whatever. That is where it takes alot of dissecting to really dig in and see the origins and if the book actually holds any weight."
Exactly and what is the measure of this weight? I would argue it is measured in our actions on the only terrain of the deivine we have available - our relations with other humans.
"When you say "I have come to believe that the Kingdom of Heaven that Jesus spoke about is Here. Now. It's not coming later. It wasn't before in some other time. It is simply Here. Now." you are doing exactly what I describe above imo. "
I am also doing what is suggested in some of the rejected Gnostic Gospels, what the Cathar movement of 12th century france said about CHristianity and the whole side of the "iota" that got rejected at Nicea did for arguable political and practical purposes.
"The gnostic gospels never made the final cut because they were never accepted by the church body. They were known from the begging to be either counterfeit or not part of the gospel message."
Uh-huh another arbitrary judgement on what was in or out. ALthough I'll grant you soe of them were certainly counterfeit. Others however I think were just uncomfortable and uncontrollable for a young organizing religion consolidating it's secularpower.
Even most of the modern Protestant branch religions in the US,probably one you belong to, would be rejected handily by the same council of Nicea you say rejectedsomeof the gnostic gospels.
"Anyway guess we will have to agree to disagree, but I wanted to at least respond to your well thought post. "
Thanks. Same back at you.
- Thanks for the response TBO, I would respond but I really need to get back to work :Odesignbot