spore vs jesus
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- TheBlueOne0
"I didn't one day wake up and decide I wanted to be a Christian, quite the opposite." - designbot
Exactly. And I didn't wake up one day and decide to stop being a practicing Catholic. It was a process. One of lots of deep questioning, research, soul searching. I have the utmost respect for Jesus (who I believe to have been an actual historical figure), his message, and some christians, and believe it is an honorable way to live and approach a human life, if done with a true heart. My own core belief in christianity is pretty close to some of the gnostic gospels interpretations and some of the persecuted offshoots of christianity destroyed during the first Inquistions. As such, if I continued to call myself "christian" I would do so under the shadow of heresy. And although that appeals to a certain roguish and subversive aspect of my personality, I don't quite have a large enough victim complex to take up that particular cross, pun intended.
I have come to believe that the Kingdom of Heaven that Jesus spoke about is Here. Now. It's not coming later. It wasn't before in some other time. It is simply Here. Now. and we open the door to it through our actions. As I said above the I believe that the terrain of the Divine is found solely in my relation with others. That is the only place our relationship to whatever aspect of ourselves is where the spiritual can happen. Other human beings are the representation and terrain of our relationship to god/buddha/allah/divine spirit/whatever. We enter into the Kingdom that Jesus speaks about by playing on that terrain with love and humility and selflessness. And there is nothing in my reading of the New Testament that seems to disagree with that.
It's also pretty close to alot of other thoughts and practice that humans have developed across cultures. And if you really put alot of time into it and get to the whole kernel being "Be excellent to one another" and you realize how really really fucking hard that is for a human being to do. I mean really really really hard to do. That all this other BS about creationism and having people wear veils, or how many angels are on a pin or if jesus will return with multitudes to defeat the antichrist or whatever well is just, for me, tinsel. Shiny cheap baubles. It just serves as distraction form the really really hard work of getting to the Divine in the world in our reltionships. It's a distraction, a bunch of non-issues that only serve to divide and distract.
Help another human being, comfort one who is sick, hold someone that needs holding, give to someone more in need than yourself - attend to your duties so your actions don't make others lives more difficult than they need to be. Make Heaven real, here. Now.
Science has nothing to do with that - although it is pretty cool. But it has nothing to do with being the terrain of the divine in our lives.
And teleos pisses me off bc his apparent take on all of this is just baubles, tinsel to me. Superfulous. gramme - now gramme and I will disagree with lots of stuff about matters religious and spiritual, but he's a guy not distracted by baubles per se.
The baubles is easy. Sure argue about whether the dinosaurs were really the Old Testament "leviathans" or whatever. Its' a distraction from doing the really really hard work of the Divine - which is to remove the plank from our eyes about our nature as human beings.
Ug. OK. I'm done.
- excellent, that's just right.
You fucking hippy. :pmikotondria3 - hippy? Nah. I'd whack you over the head with a zen monk's thinking stick....TheBlueOne
- I would observe myself over-reacting and give you a chance to forgive me.mikotondria3
- excellent, that's just right.