spore vs jesus

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    TBO,

    "Sure. But to the Romans, the threat of Jesus and christianity was to violently overhthrow their exisiting interests and civilization."

    Forgive me if you think I am taking this out of context. But Jesus and his disciples not only never used "subjective, immediate violence" but the bible has no sort of "systematic violence" either. Or at the very least this is completely subjective and based on your own opinion...one that I don't think any scholar would hold.

    Jesus and his disciples message was so radical, that the Roman Empire feared it....they saw Jesus as a threat to their empire. Jesus and his disciples never used any kind of violence though, physical or systematic violence in the message they preached. Which is why it is simply amazing that they were able to over-turn an empire that basically had control of the known world.

    The violent acts that were later embraced by the christian church as you claim is false:

    "although christianity embraces that later in it's development"

    Once again you are assuming that any act done in the name of "God" was actually committed by true followers of Christ, which simply fly's in the face of everything Jesus taught. So if someone claims one thing, but then commits an act that is completely contradictory to the teachings they supposedly follow, why would you believe their claim? Wouldn't it be more likely that they were lying altogether? The only other explanation is that they grossly misinterpreted the Bible and actually believed they were doing the will of "God".

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    • I'm saying that christianity, as a collective movement, was a source of violent uprooting of the roman world order...TheBlueOne
    • ...irregardless of if the methodology was peace (given oneself over to slaughter) or violence...TheBlueOne
    • ..it is still violence done to the order of things. Those that sit at the top of the order and have stakes in it, will react to that threat with subjective violenceTheBlueOne
    • with subjective violence...TheBlueOne
    • ..say the same way a bunch of riot cops spray and beat a protestor holding a flower.TheBlueOne
    • ..the flower holder isn't violent, but represents a violent upsurption of the social order.TheBlueOne
    • Jesus overthrowing the romans?!? hahahaahahahzarkonite
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