Moses was High
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Gramme - honestly, many thanks for taking the time to answer my points, I appreciate it.
"Believing in Him means, as I stated above, that one must believe Christ is the son of God, that he came to save us, that he was capable of saving us from ourselves and from damnation, that he died, descended to hell, was raised to life, and ascended to heaven"And if I don't/cannot bring myself to believe that, if indeed I think it's a ridiculously complex and convoluted thing that doesnt have the slightest ring of truth or sense to it, and YET I continue to lead as good a life as I can, I'll end up in this eternal suffering ??
Well that's not really very nice, is it ?
As I said, this seems to be a patch to the world, as if God created the world, and created man and put him in it, but then realised the freewill that man has sometimes lead to ungodly misery, suffering and lack of love, and so the only scheme he could come up with to help people was not : permitting people to have free will, but then when they died enacting a thorough review and revelation of what exactly they had done wrong, and helping them realise this before they passed into heaven, as would be the simplest, most logical, most reasonable thing; no - he incarnates as a human, demonstrates this by defeating the earthly illusion of death, does nice things, is sacrificed mortally, and hopes this will be some kind of 'lesson' to people to generally be kinder to each other ?
Sorry, its kinda crap, really. Im one person with a small brain, and I know for a fact thats not what I would do.
And all these people that had no chance of getting to heaven, ie those people born in the 100,000 years before this sudden realisation that there was a design flaw in the whole human/freewill scenario - thats just fricking mean, really -
As I say, the whole story doesnt ADD anything to idea of there being a god, of 'divinely' ordained morality (which I have despite there being no God), or how to live a good life and achieve a place in heaven..
What if you get to the pearly gates and he says 'no. You didnt believe this frankly unlikely story about how I incarnated. Unless you say you did, it's downstairs with you." ?
"Well fuck that,", Id say - thats just kinda weird and mean. "I may have been an atheist, and heck - I was wrong - Honestly I'm thrilled to bits you do exist (although I would have preferred at least a modicum of total privacy in my own thoughts), but nonetheless, here we are, you're great, there is a life after death, I get it now...I just don't really agree with these conditions that you've put upon my entering heaven, I dont really think that's something an ultimately flawless loving creator would do, Im sorry. You'd know if I was just pretending to agree with the story, but I'm not going to. If you can just show me the stairs down to the fiery pit, Im afraid I'll have to go there if I'm not to dishonor you by being a total fraud. Sorry it didnt work out."
And that would be that.- Stop being rational we're talking about mythology and religion.Mimio
- bah....too much observation and drawing rational conclusions for me. Darn book-lernin'. And eyes.********
- Rationality drives one to embrace a theistic worldview. It is irrational to...teleos
- believe that chance + necessity produced morality and consciousness.teleos