Moses was High
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I like the way Christians do good things because God says its the right thing to do.
I do good things for their own sake. I can do all the good things they could ever do, and more, without mentioning a God.
If all their hocum turns out to be true, and my actions and beliefs are judged by the supreme creator of the universe, then honestly I do not think that my purely abstract position on the motivation for my actions is really going to make that much difference to the final verdict.
Either I did good things, helped people and was a blessing to the world, spreading love and kindness and wisdom and compassion, leaving it a better and more enriched place than when I came, or I did not. All of that is far more important than the mind-games that religions wish to send spinning round and round our tiny minds.
'There was a man, who wasnt a man - he was God (despite this contradicting all the previous definitions of a dubiously angry God), who came to earth to spread a message of peace and love'...ok, fine with that so far, sounds good...."then - he was killed for generally pissing off TheMan, threatening the status quo of the authorities, and was nailed to a cross'...ok, good dramatic device - nice demonstration of sacrfice to a greater cause, Im on board...
"Then, he actually didnt die, but disappeared up into the sky.....(er...ok)....and because he did this, everyone in history, and in the future will be saved. From being punished.".
What ?
"If you take an abstract position about yourself, of believing 'in' him, then your mistakes will not damn you to an eternity in a fiery cave.".
Come again ?
Believe IN him ? What does that mean ? Believe in his presence as a supernatural entity ? Believe what he said was wise and correct ? Believe the death/not death thing ? I'm sorry Im confused about all that...It just doesnt make any sense - it doesnt add anything to the notion of their being a perfect, omnipotent, loving creator - why would he complicate things by having to do this ?
Is it like a technical issue with how love operates within the world ? Something like a 'security update patch' ? SP2 ?And - god !, do people ever bang on and on and on and on about this nonsense ?!??!!?
Just get on with being decent and civil to each other, make sacrifice to do this as much as you are able, just cut the crap, eh ?