Jesus Tomb
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- gramme0
I hear what you're saying gramme, but you know, either god is a supreme being or he isn't. If he is, then he knows what hell is, and what it entails, and especially the human experience of suffering and death. And you can't make claims like that the guy is so supreme he made like everything, in like six days, and did all the other stuff to keep it all going (See book of Job for God detailing all the great things he does that puny human will never and simply cannot understand )and so forth and then go "Oh shit! This is what this feels like! Man, this sucks..." I mean if he was as much fully god as he was man, how is he forsaken - he should be at one with the entire thing, including death - especially if death is only a gateway to a spiritual afterlife that he, if anyone, is completely certain of.
Didn't mean it as bait, just meant it as one of a number of particular NT moments which bug me. That said, IF I believe in the historical Jesus as a man of some spiritual depth and wisdom, I find his statements on the cross reassuringly human and very comfiorting and only adds to the actionable part of his message on finding spiritual peace in the world.
But hey, I'm a heretic, so what do I know.
TheBlueOne
(Feb 28 07, 13:19)That's the thing though, being a supreme, perfect being means NOT knowing evil, not as we do at least. God (and therefore Jesus) recognizes it, he just doesn't experience it from the inside out. Thus in Genesis, Adam & Eve tasted of the fruit and KNEW good & evil.
Why can't one claim that he made the earth in six days? Christians differ on whether it actually was six days, but what's the difference – if you can create a universe, you can create a billion, and if you can do it at all you can do it in six days. You can also appear, walk talk and breathe on earth, as well as die a human death, descend to hell, and rise again to glory.
being fully human (albeit perfect) allowed Jesus to meet us on our level, to feel pain, know fear, loneliness heartache, and so on. I also find his statements on the cross reassuringly human, as well as all the times when Jesus was tired, hungry, told a joke, wept.