Intelligent? Design
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I agree that the church has been involved in some terrible things. I think things went immediately downhill for the Vatican when they set themselves up as a governmental power.
gramme
(Jan 3 06, 11:33)
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gramme, it's not just the church - I'm talking about the 10,000 odd years that mankind had had civilization - religious/political power went hand in hand until just about a few hundred years ago an donly in a few places on earth..and ion those few places the concept of civil government, liberty, freedom, equality have grown - as well as a lack of religious oppression. Why people are out and about trying to shove the two back together makes me think that it's a power grab of a very old kind. Heck, in the Sermon of the Mount Jesus implores his followers to pray in secret and not make a show of it. Funny that Televangilists and those christians that want to know if politicians are "god-fearing" and thus pass some kind of litmus test abound. Not so much about praying in private, eh?All these cats are false prohets of the highest order..