We Don't Torture
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Kona
I was a little surprised by some of your posts in this thread earlier which express your views on the US and torture:
nah i wouldn't like to be waterboarded but fucking a it's not as gigantic as a big deal as you make it out to be. until i see a video of a u.s. servicemen telling a bad guy to beg for mercy for a few hours, then cutting his head off with a dull blade all this u.s. torture talk can kiss my ass.
kOna
(Nov 7 05, 13:30)and
i didn't say it was cool you dumb fuck, i said i didn't give a shit.
kOna
(Nov 7 05, 14:10)Apparently, you don't care what the US does to insurgents or suspected terrorists as long as it is not as bad as what the insurgents do ... i.e. record a beheading.
Where exactly so you draw the line. I found an interesting article:
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/co…
Since the article is rather lengthy, I will quote couple of passages (but feel free to read the entire piece if you like):Two years ago, at Abu Ghraib prison, outside Baghdad, an Iraqi prisoner in Swanner’s custody, Manadel al-Jamadi, died during an interrogation. His head had been covered with a plastic bag, and he was shackled in a crucifixion-like pose that inhibited his ability to breathe; according to forensic pathologists who have examined the case, he asphyxiated. In a subsequent internal investigation, United States government authorities classified Jamadi’s death as a “homicide,” meaning that it resulted from unnatural causes.
Manadel al-Jamadi was captured by Navy SEALs at 2 a.m. on November 4, 2003, after a violent struggle at his house, outside Baghdad. Jamadi savagely fought one of the SEALs before being subdued in his kitchen; during the altercation, his stove fell on them. The C.I.A. had identified him as a “high-value” target, because he had allegedly supplied the explosives used in several atrocities perpetrated by insurgents, including the bombing of the Baghdad headquarters of the International Committee of the Red Cross, in October, 2003. After being removed from his house, Jamadi was manhandled by several of the SEALs, who gave him a black eye and a cut on his face; he was then transferred to C.I.A. custody, for interrogation at Abu Ghraib. According to witnesses, Jamadi was walking and speaking when he arrived at the prison. He was taken to a shower room for interrogation. Some forty-five minutes later, he was dead.
This is pretty messed up, and it seems as if the current administration is behind this. Form the same article:
After September 11th, the Justice Department fashioned secret legal guidelines that appear to indemnify C.I.A. officials who perform aggressive, even violent interrogations outside the United States. Techniques such as waterboarding—the near-drowning of a suspect—have been implicitly authorized by an Administration that feels that such methods may be necessary to win the war on terrorism. (In 2001, Vice-President Dick Cheney, in an interview on “Meet the Press,” said that the government might have to go to “the dark side” in handling terrorist suspects, adding, “It’s going to be vital for us to use any means at our disposal.”)Do you think the goverment may be going too far? Maybe we whould look to the man pictured on the right for answers:
