intelligent design
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- deep_throat0
discipler - the mathematics is complex, yes, but it demonstrates PRINCIPLES, that can be applied to the Universe.
What i am talking about how principally speaking matter can. I was trying to open your closed my to the infinite possibilities in this universe in which this thing that we subjectively call life can emerge out of the complexity of the processes of the universe.
you with your talk of 2nd law and nothing can come of nothing talk, was talk conceptually, abstractly. This is what i was addressing.
Now if you want to change the subject and speak specifically about the cell as we know it, that is a different matter.
But as an idea complex systems can emerge from simple universel laws, that exhibits what we migh call life, and for this we use abstract models where the rules of the universe are completely known to us and we programmed them.
That was my point. And you've gone and done your merry little dance as always talking about "yes but science has looked into cells and they dont seem to bla bla"
thats a difference matter.
so ok, now we are in agreement, second law of thermodynamics absolutely does not preclude evolution, and simplicitiy can self-organise into complexity.