The Evolution will not be televised
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Whether or not you cite scientific theory, and associated facts that purport to 'prove' that natural systems are so irreducibly complex as to warrant unnatural design, the fact remains that this is a philosophical debate:
Discipler, your position, (and please use only your words to refute or support this), seems to me to be the following:
Biological systems are fundamentally complex interactions of unique groups of chemicals that are in fact, so complex, that knowing not of any other analogous complexity engineering, OTHER than that produced by human design means that these complex systems MUST have had a pre-determined design and specifically engineered origins.
Please correct me if any of those assumptions and the resulting proposition is incorrect...
This is the unseen hand that ID postulates, the same unseen hand that once held the planets in their orbits, or that kept the birds in the sky.
The unseen forces that manifest themselves in the appearance of stable complex systems are not some spooky supernatural entity pulling strings and arranging molecules..There are literally trillions of failures of complex systems before stable, sustainable, reproducable ones emerge...ones that carry with them this 'information' of their own creation. Those that did not have the information within them ceased to continue..
What continues through the ages is the pattern, the template for reproducable templates. Were this not the case, we would not be here to discuss it.
You, discipler, were once the same cloud of stardust as I, until natural selective processes arranged us into the salty electric machines with the power to imagine ourselves as separate from those processes and forces that created us..you are in total, only the imagination of yourself, and hence this illusiory void of your own creation causes you to try to fill it with concepts of a supreme deity, a creator, an 'other', onto which you project the curiously human ideas of 'unnatural' design. There is nothing unnatural, only human principals of what is unnatural, based upon man's false idea that he is separate from the universe.
Remove that idea, and the need to invoke a spooky God disappears.
Come into the light, discipler, and stop waving at the back of your own head in a mirror, its only you..