Creationist Lies 666 apologies
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1. Things degrade over time, on both levels.
The 2nd law of thermodynamics has NOTHING to do with "degrade" "disorder", it is simply the spread of energy. As i said to you, degrade, disorder, whatever refer to something else, not the reordering of energy that thermodynamics refers to
2. And there is not a shred of scientific evidence to suppor that something as complex as a single cell could have spontaneously generated.
No there isn't. Biologist have not yet witnessed the formation of cells spontaneously. However, this does not mean thermodynamics is false, since OTHER SPONTANEOUS COMPLEXITY FORMATION HAS BEEN OBSERVED.
observe:
"Far more complicated types of compounds that contain either carbon and hydrogen alone, or those elements with oxygen, have been detected in space: PAHs, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons. As in the case of the alkanes, the thermodynamic category of formation of the two groups of PAHs are different. If oxygen is present in the PAH (and this cannot yet be decided spectroscopically) the substances are less energetic than the carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen elements from which they were formed. Thus, they were formed spontaneously strictly in accord with the second law of thermodynamics.
It is an amusing sidenote that the anti-depressant ingredient in St. John’s Wort, listed as hypercin and the precise structure given in the Merck Index, is an oxygen-containing PAH. These are complex substances that are important here on earth. It is still questionable, of course, that molecules with this precise structure are in space, but it is energetically completely possible that it and many comparable materials may be present there.
PAHs composed only of carbon and hydrogen contain more energy within their molecules than do elemental carbon and hydrogen. Therefore, their synthesis from the elements is thermodynamically non-spontaneous. Nevertheless, these PAHs detected in space would have been formed "automatically", i.e., without any organismic intervention (!). Energy would have been supplied to the process, probably via powerful bursts of radiation from many kinds of stellar and similar sources.
Even more convincing evidence of the existence of PAHs in space and in other parts of the universe is their presence in meteorites that have fallen to the earth. Extremely careful isolation of carbon-containing substances from some meteorites has proved the presence of specific polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons.
Cyanide compounds, formed from the elements of carbon and nitrogen, have been shown by spectroscopy to be prevalent in all comets, along with ice (spontaneously formed from hydrogen and oxygen). All cyanides are considerably higher in energy content than carbon and hydrogen and thus they must have been formed non-spontaneously thermodynamically.
In summary, there is ample evidence for the existence of complicated, orderly molecules in outer space. They were formed without an organism’s assistance because no such organisms have been found associated with them in meteorites and, of course, none can thrive in the energetic conditions of outer space. The "automatic" formation of complicated, orderly substances both spontaneously and non-spontaneously is simply the consequence of normal chemical laws and the second law of thermodynamics. (The intense energy sources in space make possible non-spontaneous synthesis there.)"