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- cannonball19782
"I think what we have here is a working definition of an asshole -- a person who demands that all social interaction happen on their terms"
- Gnash0
- I fully get encouraging ones kids but isn't this bordering on sexplotation?mugwart
- But drag isn't nonbinary, it's an act. "Lactatia" is a boy.i_monk
- ^ ya, i hesitated posting this because of that. but her opening lines in the vid were totally relevantGnash
- er, his opening lines...Gnash
- If your premise is that "it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks" you can't just follow that with "but you have to use the pronoun I choose or else"...zarkonite
- The unspoken coda of "it doesn't matter what anyone thinks" is "as long as they agree".i_monk
- shellie2
im a little sensitive today bc a guy i know was beaten to a bloody plup and rushed to the hospital with 6 arrested last night. a bunch of skinheads went to a hipster bar in oklahoma talking all kinds of ignorant shit. my friend approached them trying to calm the hate speech directed at another friend's Asian girlfriend and he paid the price. my experience with people who care so much about fighting against other peoples personal preferences and making superficial snap judgements is more than annoying those -- people can be very dangerous.
- years ago,six skinheads beat the shit out of me for wearing a Duran Duran t-shirt at a Black Flag concert.
Skinheads don't discriminate. they hate everyone.Gnash - !!!detritus
- To be fair on this, horrific as it is, those guys just want trouble. What ever excuse they just want a fight. Making things almost makes them more prone to hatemugwart
- oh that group came to drink and fight for sure. ive seen more bar fights in oklahoma over any other state in the US. what's with that?shellie
- years ago,six skinheads beat the shit out of me for wearing a Duran Duran t-shirt at a Black Flag concert.
- Continuity6
This whole 'non-binary' thing is something that really pushes my ability to tolerate things. Interracial marriage? Absolutely support it. Gay marriage? Yup. Transgender rights? Naturally.
But, this non-binary thing? No. Sorry. It's a personal issue; which is to say: personal to the people who are going through it. I shouldn't have to adapt to someone's personal issues, particularly since these non-binary people are in a very, very small minority.
The other thing I can't help but think is that they're 'non-binary' because they can't make up their fucking minds. Are they cis-whatever? Are they one gender trapped in another gender's body? Well, there's a solution to this: get off the fucking fence, and decide who you are, instead of forcing the rest of society to sit on the fucking fence with you, whilst you hum and haw on the subject.
Ultimately, I actually don't care if someone sees themselves as 'non-binary'. It's their life, their sense of self, their issue to come to terms with. But I do absolutely object to their issue intruding on the functioning of society and the use of language, like forcing us to address them with non-sensical made-up personal pronouns, and other stupidity. It's not a social issue that defines our time. It's a personal issue to a very, very, very small group of people who can't seem to make up their fucking minds whether they want to go through life with a cock or a cunt.
Get the fuck on with it, and either go through with gender re-assignment, or stay the gender you were born with. Stop fucking about.
- Language games are always a power play to control dialogue and coerce.cannonball1978
- Agreed. However, we're talking about an infinitessimally small group of people who would benefit more from psychotherapy than they would trying ...Continuity
- ... to get the rest of society to try and comform to their personal issues. It's not society's fault they can't make up their fucking minds, and haven't got ...Continuity
- ... the courage to solve their problem themselves or with help from a therapist.Continuity
- So, no one should mess with how you use language, but you can mess with other's identity just to fit in your short-sighted view of the world? Grow up.sr_rosa
- can you remember the day you made up your mind about what your gender was?lowimpakt
- Following that logic, as I am not a woman and I haven't had any discrimination for being a woman, we can just disregard any complain about sexism.sr_rosa
- Or race. Or disability.
It's so cool to be me...sr_rosa - Yes, it was the same day i realised the world was filled with precious, self-obsessed, over-privileged morons who's grasp on reality was minimal.Morning_star
- lowimpakt0
The issue gender definition becomes important to people when how they define themselves is in conflict with or not recognised by wider society.
if your gender was never in question of course you wouldn't care.
Also, PonyPony mentioned "LGBTQXYZ123" and how they are "DEMANDING" to be understood.
Non-binary is about gender has nothing to do with sexuality so trans (T) is probably most relevant from this list.
but the same point applies. What is wrong with people publicly defining their sexuality?
One obvious reason why it is useful to know is it allows people to find other people like themselves so maybe they can have friendships, relationships, fall in love or have sex.
- There is nothing wrong with it as long as you agree that there is nothign wrong with people not participating in their definition.cannonball1978
- that's a very good question I don't have an answer for but why would you actively choose to define someone by a different gender to their own?lowimpakt
- i suppose the conflict is that gender is cultural as well as biological and the non-binary person is claiming autonomy over their agenda. people get offendedlowimpakt
- because it's not the social norm they feel responsible for?lowimpakt
- I would define them to what they are to me subjectively, irregardless of what they define themselves as sunjectively.cannonball1978
- As in... they can call themselves whatever they want. And I can call them whatever I want to call them. And I dont give a shit about their feelings.cannonball1978
- Also... gender labels are not cultural.cannonball1978
- Also... me not giving a shit about "feelings" steming from misalignment between my terms and their terms does not make me bad, phobic or immoral.cannonball1978
- Punches for: 'irregardless'Continuity
- didn't say they were demanding to be 'understood'... but demanding specific pronouns that would be difficult for many to remember...PonyBoy
- Fair enoughcannonball1978
- ...or many to care to remember for that matter. Their desire to have friends / sex will be fulfilled whether or not I get the pronoun right.PonyBoy
- cannonball1978 - gender is culturally defined. gender is not the same as a person's sex or sexuality.lowimpakt
- Sorry no. I agree it's not the same as sex, but no... it is not culturally defined.cannonball1978
- It's the dictionary definition of gender "Either of the two sexes, especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences"lowimpakt
- https://en.oxforddic…lowimpakt
- Ah... maybe semantically it is defined (in terms). But culture does little if anythgin to define the gender you are going to identify with.cannonball1978
- Let's agree to disagree :) I think culture, society & social norms absolutely define gender(s) & gender roles. These change over time & location so are fluidlowimpakt
- _niko3
All part of Putin's master plan, effeminize and confuse the enemy and move in for the kill.
His propaganda machine has America in a tailspin, racial issues and politics are a mess and everyone's becoming a useless snowflake.
The implosion is inescapable.
- chukkaphob0
- SELF! SELF! SELF!
That girl looks like a girl, i bet her chromosomes would agreeimbecile - so triggeredmonospaced
- i have an opinion that differs from yours is all. thing is, it's just as valid and important as Asia Kate Dillon'simbecile
- ok, so the all caps, ranting repetition and exclamation points are not you getting worked up over this ... got itmonospaced
- you fail to see the intent of others and ofter portray your on misunderstandings unto them. today is no different snowflake.imbecile
- btw lol at CAPS equating to worked upimbecile
- excuse me? I just called you out on being triggered ... big deal, that was no failing of any kind, nor was it me portraying a misunderstanding "unto" theemonospaced
- all-caps is used to indicate yelling, and so are exclamation points :)monospaced
- also, this woman isn't saying she isn't female biologically, so your "wager" is really entirely pointless, lolmonospaced
- snowflakemonospaced
- look at you go kid, winning an argument only you're having. coolstorybro.jpgimbecile
- lol, look at you go, little buddy, starting an argument for no reason, that I wasn't even part of, about some nonsense regarding a fictional misunderstandingmonospaced
- typical mono -- always searching to argue w someone; but never able to sound logical or reasonable or convincing..just typing away his keystroke diarrhea. LMAO!chukkaphob
- look who's talking, triggered sistersmonospaced
- SELF! SELF! SELF!
- sted6
Generation look at me I'm special.
- Oh so special, a unique and free snowflake, so gentle... love and light to you.robotron3k
- renderedred4
- "To what degree do I have to participate in your self image?"imbecile
- exactly my point.renderedred
- i said something similar, but the feels crew wants to be so PC todayimbecile
- PC is the new Apple ;)renderedred
- <detritus
- lolimbecile
- uan1
you get registered at birth, and from then on that data gets copied and copied from document to document till you die. I guess it was an important indicator to assign an identity in the early days.
a solution could be to abolish that sexual distinction from birth- and death-certificates. we don't need that information no more to assign identities.
- History benefits. You have Birth/ Marriage/Death records going back hundreds of years in Europe. It's useful data. Data can be amended if need be.detritus
- Name and document numbers should be plenty of info for a cop write me a speeding ticket.shellie
- @detrius wouldn't it be nice if you could choose to ammend certain data at the age you become a legal adult. I wouldn't mind if it was required at that pointshellie
- Sure, 'Data can be amended' :)detritus
- zarkonite1
There is some science behind genderqueer, if you're interested I'd recommend getting the January issue of natgeo magazine: http://www.nationalgeographic.co…
I know there's a lot of bullshit around the phenomenon, but at its root there are scientific and genetics facts that are undeniably happening.
As for myself, I'm not changing my pronoun game as Chapelle put it so succinctly. I'm simply not interested in sharing what I consider private information with the world, and that goes both ways. You define yourself how you want, and then you deal with the fact your freedom ends where mine begins.
- hans_glib5
so i think the general reaction can be summed up as
- i_monk0
Camille Paglia has some interesting things to say on this subject, and it's completely the opposite of what I'd expect from a household name feminist.
- i_was-1
Binaries do it better.
- pango5
I can't find my self to give a shit (ok maybe maybe jus a tiny bit. Like a nugget).
Just let people be.
- Gnash-1
- SteveJobs-1
Let's not call it non-binary, that's too ambiguous.
Let's call it like it is: tertiary - as they can claim their gender based on mood, time of day, or situational circumstances. They are male, female, and neutral - all simultaneously.
