Nonbinary

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  • kona1

    this is such a non issue.

    • -2? lol.

      we know who the real snowflakes are.
      kona
    • it's one of the few subjects upon which my opinion is completely irrelevant.Fax_Benson
  • doesnotexist2

    if it's none of my business, why share? i don't care what you are, but probably hate you anyways.

  • trooperbill1

    i object to the G in LGBT being Gay, im ginger and think us Gingers should stand up and claim our letter back!

  • chukkaphob0

    • SELF! SELF! SELF!
      That girl looks like a girl, i bet her chromosomes would agree
      imbecile
    • so triggeredmonospaced
    • i have an opinion that differs from yours is all. thing is, it's just as valid and important as Asia Kate Dillon'simbecile
    • ok, so the all caps, ranting repetition and exclamation points are not you getting worked up over this ... got itmonospaced
    • you fail to see the intent of others and ofter portray your on misunderstandings unto them. today is no different snowflake.imbecile
    • btw lol at CAPS equating to worked upimbecile
    • excuse me? I just called you out on being triggered ... big deal, that was no failing of any kind, nor was it me portraying a misunderstanding "unto" theemonospaced
    • all-caps is used to indicate yelling, and so are exclamation points :)monospaced
    • also, this woman isn't saying she isn't female biologically, so your "wager" is really entirely pointless, lolmonospaced
    • snowflakemonospaced
    • look at you go kid, winning an argument only you're having. coolstorybro.jpgimbecile
    • lol, look at you go, little buddy, starting an argument for no reason, that I wasn't even part of, about some nonsense regarding a fictional misunderstandingmonospaced
    • typical mono -- always searching to argue w someone; but never able to sound logical or reasonable or convincing..just typing away his keystroke diarrhea. LMAO!chukkaphob
    • look who's talking, triggered sistersmonospaced
  • uan1

    you get registered at birth, and from then on that data gets copied and copied from document to document till you die. I guess it was an important indicator to assign an identity in the early days.

    a solution could be to abolish that sexual distinction from birth- and death-certificates. we don't need that information no more to assign identities.

    • History benefits. You have Birth/ Marriage/Death records going back hundreds of years in Europe. It's useful data. Data can be amended if need be.detritus
    • Name and document numbers should be plenty of info for a cop write me a speeding ticket.shellie
    • @detrius wouldn't it be nice if you could choose to ammend certain data at the age you become a legal adult. I wouldn't mind if it was required at that pointshellie
    • Sure, 'Data can be amended' :)detritus
  • section_0141

    If you get to put non-binary on your license or whatever, the person issuing the license should get to add a footnote. So people reading the ID (cops, hospital, whatever) can have something else to work with.

    "Is obviously a dude, but dresses like a Russian grandma from the mid 18th century"

    "Literally no idea. Pat from SNL x100."

    "Everything but the hands are a woman. Wears a tail and cat ears"

    • which reminds me, if you're trans like the dude in orange is the new black, do you really get to go to a female prison?_niko
    • what's to stop guys from claiming to be female so that they could be put in a all women prison, where plenty of sex and s&M occur much like those Ilsa movies lo_niko
  • pango0

    i don't get it...
    are you guys mad at the people advocating for the issue or are you mad at the issue?

    • I dont understand the issuedrgs
    • not sure but it should be renamed the triggered threadfadein11
  • zarkonite1

    There is some science behind genderqueer, if you're interested I'd recommend getting the January issue of natgeo magazine: http://www.nationalgeographic.co…

    I know there's a lot of bullshit around the phenomenon, but at its root there are scientific and genetics facts that are undeniably happening.

    As for myself, I'm not changing my pronoun game as Chapelle put it so succinctly. I'm simply not interested in sharing what I consider private information with the world, and that goes both ways. You define yourself how you want, and then you deal with the fact your freedom ends where mine begins.

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  • pr2-2

    sr_rosa, this is ignorant and naive about the workings of the world and YOUR mind to say that one doesn't get affected by the words they use or don't. How about we think the other way around and say that there are some fundamentals that are super hard to challenge... You know the physics, the biology, the gravity. The reason why there is "he" and "she" is to help the talker/thinker to compartmentalize the world to progress our understanding of it. By diluting the meaning you are not fighting for progress but do the opposite: escape any responsibility for definitions and clarity.

    • Also, from a practical sense. There are over 30 gender pronouns defined in NY law. 30! How is that even workable in daily life.Morning_star
    • Transgender and intersex people has been always try to be assigned to one of the two binary genders. That's not clarity but stupidity. People still think that...sr_rosa
    • ...gender should be based on genitals, when there's other elements like chromosomes, hormones or phenotype that may not align on every individual, and that just...sr_rosa
    • ...attending to physical/biological aspects.sr_rosa
    • It's not law.monospaced
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  • i_monk0

    Camille Paglia has some interesting things to say on this subject, and it's completely the opposite of what I'd expect from a household name feminist.

  • freedom-1

    There's a whole spectrum of sexuality and people on one end might be in one gender's body but feel like the other. The mind and hormones can work in mysterious ways but there's also people out there who are seeking attention or confused about who they are or crazy.

    There's only two genders to choose from. Pick one which you feel most akin to and if you figure things out, switch to the other. But your confusion does not give you your own category. You are not that special.

    • Genders are more than two in almost every civilization around the globe. Your confusion doesn't give you the right to discriminate.sr_rosa
    • You are not that special.sr_rosa
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  • i_was-1

    Binaries do it better.

  • SteveJobs-1

    Let's not call it non-binary, that's too ambiguous.

    Let's call it like it is: tertiary - as they can claim their gender based on mood, time of day, or situational circumstances. They are male, female, and neutral - all simultaneously.

  • pr2-6

    They are god-knows what in reality and they are god-knows what in their fantasy. It's a form of detachment from any reality. Now, i won't be the first one to say that reality matters less and less to the world. Yes, we are still somehow attached to certain laws of physics but that attachment is of lesser and lesser importance for most of us. Not to mention that this detachment from reality was going on for quite some time. Just watch any TV shows for kids - i have a 2 year old and so i do watch lots of kid's TV - and you will find all sorts of "unnaturalness": black girls from the ghetto who want to be astronauts, crippled children who want to be athletes... on and one. What you won't find anymore in those TV shows is boys playing with toy cars and girls playing with dolls. Obviously agenda has infiltrated even the most innocent of media. Yeah, i wish luck to any black girl from the ghetto who dreams about going to the stars and i'll rut for her all the way BUT lets get real here, for 99.99% that will not the reality. They will face a wall of unfulfilled dreams. And so the kids grow up without any real role models but rather abstractions artificially created to fulfill someone's agenda about equality. Those impossible-to-fulfill dreams will push the next generations even further to seek solace in fiction of made-up identities.

    • https://media.giphy.…Bluejam
    • bluejam, slow day?pr2
    • http://media.giphy.c…Bluejam
    • What about a black girl from a poor neighborhood wanting to be an astronaut is "unnatural?"monospaced
    • Also there are tons of disabled athletes, so nothing about that scenario is unnatural either. Finally, the laws of physics are always important ;)monospaced
    • You making up some magical entity that has an agenda as a justification for your agenda to validate your made-up prejudices. So sad. Leave those kids alone!sr_rosa
    • Seems unnatural to think that just because they aren't part of the .01% that has it all handed to them that they should stop dreaming and give up entirely.monospaced
    • Mono, for a guy who thinks like the 99.99%, to suddenly stand up for the minority seems a bit dishonest, doesn't it?pr2
    • I have no idea what you're talking about.monospaced
    • Argumentum ad populum is a fallacious argument that concludes that a proposition is true because many or most people believe it: "If many believe so, it is so."sr_rosa
    • Also, 99.99%, in your dreams.sr_rosa
    • "Argumentum ad populum" is not an argument i'm making here. Re-read what i wrote.pr2
    • you're saying that the chances of an underpriveleged minority having that kind of success is so low, they shouldn't bother pursuing a dream like thatmonospaced
    • that they should give up and not bother creating better role models since it's just generally understood they have low chances ... what did I miss?monospaced
    • The real issue is that this is a generalized view, so it's actually a good thing to break those stereotypes you so ineloquently described that hold people back.monospaced
    • If I read correctly, in your view, children shouldn't be taught that black girls can be astronauts, right? It should be white boys only, right?monospaced
    • No! Didn't 2 sentence after i added that i rut for all underprivileged black girls who have this dream????pr2
    • The beef is not to show that "some" black girls have dreams but rather by creating such unrealistic dream you in turn destroy more realistic dreams of...pr2
    • ...the other 99%.pr2
    • You know what i haven't seen lately much - if of little boys simply playing with toy trucks while little girls simply playing with dolls. Which is fucking...pr2
    • ...strange because as a parent of a cute 2 year old i see him doing nothing but play with toy trucks.pr2
    • And so instead of giving dreams to the vast majority of boys and girls we let some liberal minds propagandize for the sake of the .0001% who will full...pr2
    • ...the dream of becoming an astronaut. And that majorly fucks up the vast majority.pr2
    • That's because you bought him the toy trucks - buy him a Barbie and I am sure he will grow to love her too :)fadein11
    • Fadein, every single parent i know tried this experiment - and every single one found out that you can't win with biology.pr2
    • I fail to see the paper of biology on dreaming of being an astronaut or a truck driver.sr_rosa
    • With paper I meant role.sr_rosa
    • You said you would root, but you finished saying that they shouldn't bother. Don't even attempt to backtrack. Pathetic.monospaced
    • You came through loud and freakin clear with your lame opinion, which is totally tucked to the people that kind of thinking affects.monospaced
    • The people this mentality affects the most is my kid who doesn't get to see positive role models.pr2
    • Why? Aren't you as a parent a positive role model for your child?sr_rosa
    • lol, fucking hell, really? so a black girl can't be a positive role model, and your kid can what ... only look up to white men?monospaced
    • "every single parent i know tried this experiment" - what a strange bunch of triggered friends you have :)fadein11
    • genetic digger trucks - wow.fadein11