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- fadein110
many scientists are religious - never got that one.
Oh and Dawkins is an arrogant narrow-minded buffoon.
But I like Hawkings.
- monospaced0
It IS the fact that science is a process of updating and refining knowledge (aka progress) that makes it not a belief system.
- yes we know that mono - chill out.fadein11
- some people don'tmonospaced
- The 'belief' is that science can explain the universe.Morning_star
- < yep true and along with that comes arrogance - why would a minor species like us have the capability to begin to fathom itfadein11
- The fact is that science does explain most of the universe, and does so more every day, and will continue to.monospaced
- So sure... I believe in that process of refinement. Beats the hell out of giving up and saying god did it.monospaced
- for the record I do not think God did it. But we understand a tiny amount of the universe...fadein11
- 2 examples - 1. DNA - we understand a tiny fraction of it - the rest scientists call junk DNA.fadein11
- 2. Dark energy/matter
the vast majority of material in the universe is a total mystery to scientists.fadein11 - Right. We can measure the mass of the universe and know that a majority is uncounted for. That's a hypothesis.monospaced
- I mean, dark matter is a hypothesis based on the scientific method... doesn't require belief, it's based on evidence.monospaced
- based on evidence only.monospaced
- yep i think we agree on most things.fadein11
- fadein110
mono is God and science all rolled into one (with an apple logo on back).
- ukit20
That's probably true set, but how can a discipline be ignorant and arrogant? Science is just the search for knowledge through empiricism, nothing more nothing less. To get mad at science because there are theoretical ideas people have come up with about how the universe works at a fundamental level is kind of silly. If those ideas are proven wrong, science will accept it and move on. Just like when it was shown that the Earth revolved around the Sun...it was religion that was unable to accept this idea not science.
- set0
Science is the way forward but is painfully ignorant and arrogant. Science once thought the sun revolved around the earth and I'm sure in the future they'll be laughing at a lot of the 'scientific' beliefs we have now.
- That possibility is what makes it so great!monospaced
- takes them 100s of years to correct themselves though - slows our development down.fadein11
- that's not true in the slightestmonospaced
- okay mono - you are right again.fadein11
- oh c'mon, the progress in physics alone shows that the theories are being refined regularly.monospaced
- what took hundreds of years to correct? most modern scientific progress has happened only within the last two centuries alonemonospaced
- yep you are right - after reading many science books though - scientists who are proved wrong often die without admitting defeatfadein11
- defeat - but thats a problem with the individuals I guess - which is who I was moaning about. often v.closed off people - tunnel visionfadein11
- tunnel vision can be a strength and a weakness in science. and often is.fadein11
- Fair enoughmonospaced
- again, says more about human motivation than science.kingsteven
- ukit20
Science created the keyboard you are typing on and the internet used to send it, you ungrateful fucks ;)
But yeah blabla "science is just another belief system"
- keyboard is result of trial and error, best selling products and advertisingdoesnotexist
- What do you think science is? Trial and errorukit2
- Morning_star0
Eskema - "they didn't invent it, they theorize that it should exist"
Could you tell me what the difference is? Because the way i understand it is that the current theories in particle physics couldn't account for the mass and gravitational influence that some galaxies were exhibiting so a new state of matter 'Dark Matter' was INVENTED - essentially to plug the hole in existing theories. It has been the intention of experiments like the LHC to find evidence for this. They haven't.
- Of course when you get to the limits of knowledge theories are required. Why does it bother you?ukit2
- I find it frustrating that most people blindly follow science without question. It isn't the empirical bastion of hard fact and evidence that it claims to be.Morning_star
- Most people don't even think about such experimental topics as dark matter.ukit2
- evidence it claims to be. It is dogmatic and flawed.Morning_star
- why without questions? Are you nuts? Science IS questions.. And ultimately a lot of questions about establishedESKEMA
- facts..ESKEMA
- I believe you're wrong. The universal constants fluctuate and change. There's a committee that averages and publishes them annually.Morning_star
- them annually. Much like the Council of Nicaea ;)Morning_star
- You can try all you want to say science is as mythical as a "belief system" but it only makes you look more stupid.monospaced
- Because no matter what, it's not as ludicrous as gods and miracles and praying. That shit is bonkers stupid.monospaced
- Why do you always revert to religion. 'It may be stupid but not as stupid as...' statement is weak and powerless.Morning_star
- semantics.kingsteven
- tru. very tru.Morning_star
- I know he wrote 'belief system' in the OP, but we all know he's comparing it to religion. That's the WHOLE POINT of this.monospaced
- GeorgesIV0
both of you science created paragraph,
use them, lol
- science created the return keyset
- they are short paragraphsmonospaced
- yurimon0
I want to add also that the science introduced into the public is mostly acceptable for your consumption. nobody is going to give up the power if they knew the secrets that would empower you and upset the social status qua.. it assumed what ever is classified is about 50-100 years ahead. Your getting repackaged water down fluff. similar to the people who you religion to keep you in check and mass consumption.
- at least science makes sensemonospaced
- you get your answers from a book written by some romans over 2000 years ago, have funmonospaced
- This is conspiracy theory nonsense. What secrets do you think are hidden from you? lolukit2
- Exactly, scientists don't hide behind some conspiracy. They publish works publicly.monospaced
- monospaced0
Obviously there are going to be religious people who will constantly point out that since science doesn't offer the final answers, that their religious origin stories still reigns supreme. I can't change that, and I accept it, on Earth as I do on QBN. Ultimately, I prefer to view my reality, this reality, as one that is rational and that exists in its current form due to the processes found in the name of scientific process, not from a dogmatic, ungrounded and mythical source. That is all.
- its true. your not 100% logic. you have intuition which are feelings. key is balance.yurimon
- still, the scientific process is a process, not a religionmonospaced
- yurimon0
thread trending.. thread trending...
- GeorgesIV0
how is this not a belief system if they don't even question themselves or the scientific method..
"Scientific skepticism is the noble pursuit and accumulation of evidence, based on the scientific method, which is used to question and doubt claims and assertions. A scientific skeptic will hold the accumulation of evidence as fundamentally critical to the examining of claims. Moreover, a true skeptic does not accept all evidence as being equal in quality, but, in fact, will give more weight to evidence which is derived from the scientific method and less weight to poorly obtained and poorly scrutinized evidence."
http://www.the-scientist.com/?ar…
http://www.skepticalraptor.com/s…
http://www.cbc.ca/thecurrent/epi…
http://www.theguardian.com/scien…
http://www.techdirt.com/articles…
- GeorgesIV0
I love science, but the way the masses approaches it is just wrong, you can't come out and say we know everything, science is perfect and can do no wrong,
that's bullshit, yet it is the attitude I see everyday on the web, and please don't put me in the same category of other users because I express a diverging point of view,
I feel it's just wrong to never talk about the fraud that passes as done deal, the peer reviewed paper who never were peer reviewed, the obscure financing practices, the experimental research on humans, etc...
being a scientist doesn't make you better nor more special than anyone else, so a little bit of scrutiny would be appreciated,
let me close my rant with a quote from one of the greatest mind of the last century. when he realized what he had accomplished..
"We knew the world would not be the same. Few people laughed, few people cried, most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita. Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says, "Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds." I suppose we all thought that, one way or another."
- Robert Oppenheimer
- I agree with this, why would we put you in a category for saying it?ESKEMA
- * tilt tin foil hat
"because when you criticize science, you're automatically labelled a retarded creationistGeorgesIV - This is precisely why for many, science is definitely a belief system.mrrgl
- at least it makes sense!monospaced
- Those problems are people / society related. Not science. It just happens that scientists are humans and there is alsoESKEMA
- Stupid scientists. Nothing new there...ESKEMA
- you see, you will never accept that some science is flawed, how can you not say it's belief based.. do you even see it?GeorgesIV
- people are flawedscarabin
- uan1
- Morning_star0
Because after all Mono, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
- That is true. There are mounds of scientific evidence about the nature of our universe.monospaced
- and evidence is ONLY coming from science, as religion has offered not a single piece in ... evermonospaced
- Morning_star0
Mono, who mentioned god? I didn't.
Can you SHOW me some dark matter? or Dark energy or the Graviton, or an alternative universe?
or evidence for the existence of them that isn't a probability?
- What are the odds of that happening?yurimon
- The original OP mentioned god by tying this into religion. I can't show you dark matter, but the evidence for that mass is overwhelming.monospaced
- mass is overwhelming. Likewise, can you show me evidence for god that isn't just a supernatural myth?monospaced
- Of course you can't. You just take it on faith. Science doesn't have the answers, it's just looking.monospaced
- No one mentioned religion either. The first post mentions belief not religion. It's very different.Morning_star
- fair enoughmonospaced
- monospaced0
You think scientists invented dark matter and alternate universes to explain and support their theories and that pisses you off? First off, there are people working on this all over the planet and their theories often contradict as they search for answers. Bit trust me, they didn't invent those things, they only found evidence for them in the name of progress and knowledge.
Can you honestly think that scientific theories about existence are inferior to INVENTING a man in the clouds who is responsible instead? There's no evidence for that, yet you believe blindly. It's incredibly hypocritical. At least the world of science is looking for answers instead of dwelling on a childish guess from thousands of years ago.
- One thing in common with science and religion. is the science and religion you are consuming is for the masses.yurimon
- yurimon-4
True, Not a belief system. Yet someone must believe it is not.
I like your young idealistic ways. keep it up.Its going to save us...
http://wakeup-world.com/2013/11/…
Hi. I'm science and I'm here to help...
- Easy tiger. Don't get all Aluminum Hat on us.Morning_star
- Dont worry what you ignore now will keep you safe in the future.yurimon
- Normally, there's a religious nut firing those things in the name of it's god, just sayin'...ESKEMA
- 1. this isn't so much science as it is technology. 2. science is a tool, not the result. when you strike someone with a hammer you don't blame the hammer.scarabin
- you don't blame the hammer, you blame the person wielding itscarabin
- EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!pango
- Morning_star-2
Well Eskema, i'm glad you asked.
Science, in particularly THEORETICAL physics in recent years have INVENTED dark matter, dark energy, alternate universes to explain and support it's current theories and experiments. In doing so, the mass of the universe (a universal constant) is being increased and revised regularly to account for the fluctuating energy values. YET however unlikely or theoretical a multiverse (for example) is, alternative and non-materialistic theories and proposals are routinely rejected even though irrefutable evidence exists.- dark matter, dark energy etc are just other words for magic. Basically they have no fucking idea.set
- Yep.Morning_star
- you sound stupid, they didn't invent it, they theorize that it should exist, if they find proof of otherwise, I'm sure they'llESKEMA
- move on, they won't be stuck on it.ESKEMA
- what irrefutable evidences are those?ESKEMA
- Hah. Invented.
No, still theory. Working theory.
And what was that about being back on earth, now again? ;)Peter
