Science
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- utopian0
I'm with Georges on this one.
- I love you guisemonospaced
- why would you use the word love during this gif animation.? cant computeyurimon
- Because they are hilarious and I love that they can make me laugh that hard.monospaced
- you said hard hahaha!yurimon
- so did you. OMFG, ROFL!!!!!!monospaced
- ********0
This is my knobservation:
Reality is an infinitely complex terrain stretching across an un-ending plane, a rugged surface with deep valleys and mountains taller we are able to imagine. Our perception of reality is a cloth laid over the surface. We desire for these two surfaces to meet - as we progress, we smooth and work the cloth into the faceted shapes below. Where the cloth is close to surface, it reveals the forms beneath, and our perception of reality in these areas is clear. But taking a closer look, we find a finer complexity upon which the cloth does not lie.
- That towel video is the most relaxing thing I've seen on YT. It's like a soft and slow brain massageESKEMA
- ukit20
OK, so what does a "non scientific" approach look like?
Do you sit around and meditate for the answer? Do you use intuition and feelings instead of rationality?
I'm really curious to hear the answers to this... :)
All this criticism of science and yet I hear no alternative to figuring out similar problems that isn't science. People also seem unwilling to embrace any particular religion, since that's been mostly discredited. So what are we left with? Just some vague new age sense that "there must be more to the world" than what we can see and measure directly. But this is not really a criticism of science...
- they look like tesla., he was a intuitive.yurimon
- you honestly think tesla didn't use the scientific method?scarabin
- not 100% he was intuitive unless his writing or quotes are fake. he talked about how he did it.yurimon
- he might have brainstormed to get started but I'm pretty sure he performed test and experimentsukit2
- he had the whole thing already visualized before he built it. not scientific at all. and admitted knowledge from the etheryurimon
- he took shit further then anyone as far where we are from shit he made and was stolen from him.yurimon
- wireless light bulb late 1800's intuitive bitches http://www.teslasoci…yurimon
- So you're saying Tesla was psychic and designed everything perfect the first time?ukit2
- http://i.imgur.com/o…scarabin
- Tesla was a famous inventor. Has it occurred to you that maybe he exaggerated some of these stories for PR reasons?ukit2
- “Instinct is something which transcends knowledge. We have, undoubtedly, certain finer fibers that enable us to perceive truths when logical deduction, or any other willful effort of the brain, is futile.” ~ Nikola Teslayurimon
- when logical deduction, or any other willful effort of the brain, is futile.”
~ Nikola Teslayurimon - is it true? even einstien "imagination more important then knowledge. "yurimon
- No one is saying don't use imagination. How do you think modern day scientists come up with new ideas?ukit2
- Einstein and Tesla were both scientists.inteliboy
- The world isn't black and white. Scientists don't have evil agendas. And many hold spiritual beliefs.inteliboy
- where you get that from? neither all science lack intuitionyurimon
- Some truth about Nikola Tesla
http://skeptoid.com/…ZOOP - But still. Science isn't a belief system. It's just a fancy word for "figuring out how shit works."monospaced
- So do you believe in science mono 100%? the skeptiod doesnt say much it ref list suxyurimon
- GeorgesIV0
oooh and
1. When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.
2. The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.
3. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.:P
- GeorgesIV0
I've re-read some of the message posted here and can't wrap my head around the argument that some people are blaming society for the bad thing derived from science,
I'd like to remind everyone that the point of this thread wasn't really to say science bad, religion good or vice versa,
the point of it was to prove or disprove that the practice of the scientific method unto the unwashed masses (including myself) is a belief system and I think we kinda of forgot about it,
now we can say ad nauseum that science is perfect, that only the mistakes of men makes it flawed, the point still stays that it is our belief in what we can accomplish with it, that makes it good or bad,
it is our belief in the current system and our closed mindedness that keep us from escaping this cage or pseudo rationality,we are the observers and thus what we think effects what we will create, science may be perfect, but we aren't, even if tomorrow somehow we managed to find all the secret to life we'll still fuck it up because it's in our nature to fuck things up and I believe we can't approach the natural world with only a scientific pov,
the thing is I actually don't care if science is a belief system or not, but I just can't stop myself from provoking arguments and rabble, yet I am fascinated by the blind faith you put in the scientific world,
anywyas, I'm going to bed coz I just watched the wolverine, it's late and I'm tired,
ps: I want an Adamantium armor, night
- monNom0
^ the Amish
- scarabin0
tell us about your anti-science organization, yuri
- quick! make something up!scarabin
- I love science. I know its limits..yurimon
- No you don't.monospaced
- inteliboy0
Do about it? Do about Science? What needs to be done? I'm going to absolutely nothing.
- bobkat0
Serious question Yurimon - what have you done to combat abuse of the scientific system? I am not being sarcastic, I seriously want to know how you go about the process of changing it all? It's not like I can switch brands, since most are owned by several conglomerates...everything from food to fuel.
- Actually good question. I tried organizational approach. to much politics and resource issues.yurimon
- I'm thinking my own organization. but I'm stuck on how I could help because I do see it as an education issue primarilyyurimon
- Maybe all post to ask yallyurimon
- Thanks for that. Maybe get in to teaching mate? Start at the grass root level?bobkat
- inteliboy0
You know what else has been abused "politically and militarily"? EVERYTHING. Humanity, economics, nature, culture, belief systems etc etc...
- True, question what you going to do about it?yurimon
- what are you doing about it, yuri?scarabin
- besides pretend it's somehow the result of the scientific methodscarabin
- I' trying to build an organization to help people.yurimon
- what are you trying to do about it? besides smoking crack you bought with bitcoins. lolyurimon
- excuse me?scarabin
- only a cornered dog needs to snap like that. let's stay on topic.scarabin
- do corn dogs have a sense of humor.?yurimon
- why, did you say something funny?scarabin
- Why you got offended?yurimon
- not at allscarabin
- it's just hard to take you seriously when you're making cheesy schoolyard shots instead of actually addressing a topicscarabin
- you started lol...yurimon
- bullshit. everything i've said was related to the topicscarabin
- you're just scratching and kicking because you have no actual valid arguments.scarabin
- I made plenty of valid arguments. you just want to believe.yurimon
- there's nothing to believe when it comes to reason and observationscarabin
- yurimon0
A little better then religion debates.
However science isnt the end all know all. Its has been abused politically and militarily.
Like the whole global warming fiasco. Even though alot of discoveries have been made, big corp interests still keep certain industries in check. like automobile and energy. You should be teleporting already. but you still use gas because you make the Rockefeller's money and they tax the shit out of gas also.Yes it a method but it can also be used as propaganda. and people can believe the fallacies. just like religion trying to control what people do and think. Ideologies and methods change but for the most part your still little serfs in a system kept in check.
- and i can use a spoon outside of its intended purpose to kill a man. that doesn't make spoons bad. the use you're mentioning is a problem of society, not of sciencescarabin
- a problem of society, not of sciencescarabin
- < what scara saidinteliboy
- What are you going to do about it, now that you are so enlightened about this problem?yurimon
- i'm going to do what any scientist would and carefully consider the source and methods used to come to conclusionsscarabin
- What Scarabin says...bobkat
- Not a thing you said changes the fact that science is not a belief system.monospaced
- ESKEMA0
more cool stuff
http://www.wired.com/wiredscienc…
- bobkat0
What a great debate! Just spend several minutes reading this and thoroughly enjoyed the discussion. Now, let me get back to looking at some pics of cats...
- ZOOP0
The subconscious mind is the frontier for undiscovered abilities and knowledge. For instance:
Human perception isn't as limited as many believe. The subconscious can perceive frequencies from the subsonic, to as high as 400,000 hertz.
Hypnotized subjects call recall events in stunning clarity, down to the most minute detail.
What is commonly known is that a person on the verge of death sees their entire life displayed before them in what seems to be an instant.
Discover the purpose for these phenomena and you might have a clearer understanding of what our function truly is.
We may already hold answers to which our current versions of reality aren't prepared to explain, unless our societies can accept fundamental and permanent change.
- i've been on the verge of death multiple times and i didn't see shitscarabin
- http://disinfo.com/2…ZOOP
- I guess the question would be just how close to the verge one really is, and their awareness of such.ZOOP
- Dreams work like this. You can experience what seems like an eternity in what is actually just a fleeting moment.monospaced
- There are dreams, yes, and also real world perceptions held in the subconscious. The rabbit hole is deeeepZOOP
- There is a surprising amount of physiological evidence that explains it though.monospaced
- Chemical releases, neuron firings, etcmonospaced
- you're on a tangent, but here's what I have found; most humans aren't entirely honest with themselvesZOOP
- thus the disconnectZOOP
- I include myself in the latter statement.ZOOP
- ukit20
Vortex math?
- there's always a debunker,
even relativity has his share of debunking,GeorgesIV - if there wasn't debunking and questioning, then it would just be a belief system ;)monospaced
- there's always a debunker,
- monNom0
^ this also goes back to platonic aesthetics. Everything should be simple once distilled to it's fullest. e=mc^2, d=v*t, etc.
Maybe that's just an opinion and that guiding principle causes us to discount solutions that are more complex only because they are complex.
- monNom0
We all know this empirically: When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
So in the case of modern science (particularly the theoretical), when all you have is mathematics, every problem becomes mathematical.
Maybe we're missing the bigger picture as a result of the limitations of our tools?
- GeorgesIV0
^ btw, synchronicity there,
was watching this with my son and the last bit had this quote,
