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- hotroddy
Does anyone use any former Macromedia products? It seems like they've all become irrelevant.
To think Adobe aquired it less than a decade ago for 3.4 billion. What a waist of $$.
- lvl_130
not really a waste of money. they are simply incorporating acquired technologies and streamlining them acros their other products.
- PonyBoy0
Flash is still relevant... I think Dreamweaver is still 'loved' in some circles...
... you sure you're just not hating?
- _me_0
i still use freehand...
- fucking hellSlashPeckham
- hahamoldero
- is me actually todd purgason? holy shit! mind blownlvl_13
- Hahaha todd purgason! Good onenumero1
- breadlegz0
Use freehand a lot still. Which is now stopping me being able to upgrade my OS
- hotroddy0
I came from flash background and I haven't touched it in over a year. I was hanging on to Dreamweaver until I purchased esspresso for $75 today. Never going back to dreamweaver.
- PonyBoy0
Flash was my cash-maker for years... then work for it dried up a bit (mainly because of the iPhone... but I also have to include the economy since 2008 as part of the problem. There were still a number of Agencies that wanted to build things in Flash... it's just the client-cash wasn't there like pre-2008)...
... then out of nowhere about 6 months ago I've just been buried in in Flash. Banners are primarily what I produce... but I'm also being asked to create a bunch of interactive menus / donor walls for restaurants / hospitals etc.
Flash is not dead... not even close...
- antimotion0
I still use freehand. Great program, always loved it way more than illustrator, but when the new mac towers come out, I'm sure there's no way I can load it. The tower might actually let out a sinister digital laugh me thinks...
oh well, move on...
- breadlegz0
Freehand Users!! What's your plan to use old freehand files and to move forward?
Will you be learning illustrator? Will that open up old freehand files?
- i think you can just change file extension to eps then drop in illustratorantimotion
- All files are like that.mikotondria3
- _me_0
I will always have a computer that runs Freehand. Even if its a laptop just solely used for this purpose... I'm happy to convert and work in illustrator/indesign - its just the intital design/"thinking" working out phase i use it for... it's just so quick and intuitive - not bloated - just good for logos, designing type etc...
- I wish someone would take on freehand and develop itbreadlegz
- utopian0
Pixel Paint Users Unite®
- ESKEMA0
Adobe should fire the entire Illustrator team and start over with a new one. I cant believe that 6 years after Freehand was put to death, they still have an inferior product on so many levels.. Of course Freehand was terrible at others too, but Adobe could have by now an awesome product but they don't. They're the worst company at innovation. They sit and count their money. I don't know why hasn't somebody come out with real professional alternatives. (Pixelmator and Sketch are not professional level)
- ohhhhhsnap0
- i wonder how web designers who used fireworks feel about fireworks cc being non existant.ohhhhhsnap
- I used it alot. Its a shame they put it to rest but it hasn't been used by most designers so its okmekk
- moldero0
I only do video now because the demand for flash is gone.
FOR ME web design has gone from true design 'creating whatever I can dream up' to altering other niggas WP templates.
fuckin sucks, I was good at flash, I feel like a hack now, wheres my brother br3tt?
- omg0
they bought out the competition... good for Adobe, another sad day when companies think the competition has to die in order for everyone to win.
- antimotion0
Designers republic "Save Freehand" poster:
From:
http://johnsonbanks.co.uk/though…I discovered recently that this (allegedly) high-tech industry of ours is populated by a whole tranche of designers quietly hanging on to an old, obsolete piece of drawing software.
They know they shouldn’t, they get ridiculed for it, but they can’t help it. A piece of software that has been ever-present for decades, and a tough habit to crack. Like the beginning of an AA meeting where people stand and admit that they’re hardened drinkers, it’s time to stand up and say that ‘my name is Michael and yes, I do still use Freehand’.
At this point readers will be experiencing mixed emotions – some will be thinking ‘what an old saddo’. Younger ones will be asking ‘what’s Freehand?’. But, especially in the UK, it seems that a lot of people will be quietly nodding their heads.
Little things started to give it away. I asked Michael C Place for some text from a D&AD project recently and his answer was in the affirmative ‘as long as I didn’t mind getting it in Freehand’.
We discovered recently that Dixon Baxi were still advocates. Some quiet digging revealed a vast array of design studios still using it: Neville Brody, Why Not Associates, Spin, to name a few. The Designers Republic were committed fans, and we suspect there are still users in North‘s and Jonathan Barnbrook’s studios too. (Here’s one of TDR’s last projects, a poster entitled ‘Save Freehand’)
Mr Place declined to contribute to this piece, not wanting to get involved in discussion about a piece of software, and has a point. But it seems the choice to use, and continue to use this program is more than just geekery. If Quark users have to migrate to InDesign, at least they’re moving to something on a par, and in some cases better. Just ten minutes with Keynote persuades most people to happily drop Powerpoint like a stone, such is the gulf in quality. But Freehand users are coping with a transition to something they see as a step sideways, often backwards.
It was one of the great, original debates of the graphic design business – ‘which program do you use to draw?’ Battle lines were drawn early between the intuitive, easy-to-learn Aldus Freehand and Adobe’s more technical Illustrator. Malcolm Garrett remembers it well. ‘There was a sense that if you required a particular kind of precision then Illustrator was the way to go, in the same way the XPress won out over PageMaker. The clue is in the ordinariness of the names, Freehand, and PageMaker, they just don’t say ‘professional’. I remember Erik Spiekermann once saying he disliked Freehand, because it was too, er, ‘freehand”.
He thinks that ‘designers who felt they were more ‘expressive’ liked the basic feel of Freehand, which allowed them to create in a welcoming environment, more akin to art studio than drawing office. For some reason Illustrator gave the impression that it was more technical and thus less expressive’.
Garrett feels the differences are minimal but hardened users jump straight to its defence. ‘It’s intuitive and fast’ says Aporva Baxi from Dixon Baxi, still determinedly delivering artwork to printers in Freehand, despite the protests. ‘We just feel at home and can work very fast using it allowing us to concentrate on the creative. The fact that you can drag any number of pages around, create a full book, guidelines or presentation whilst still being able to design freely is liberating’.
For Spin’s Tony Brook it was love at first sight. ‘I went from a complete computer virgin, to a happy clapping convert in a matter of hours. I have met so many passionate advocates of Freehand, it is like a badge of honour, whereas your common or garden Illustrator disciple just mumbles and calls me old, (which may be true, but it if that’s the best they can do’¦)’.
Why Not Associate’s Andy Altmann reveals that it ‘was great for designing all the typographic layouts for the environmental projects we have collaborated on with artist Gordon Young. The typographic trees in Crawley, the entire 320m of the typographic pavement in Morecambe (image shown at the top of this post) – it would have been really painful to have done it in anything else’. Amazingly Altmann also admits that the entire artwork for the seminal Typography Now was done as 200 individual pages in the program.
Nearly all of it’s adherents know the writing has been on the wall ever since Adobe acquired Macromedia in 2005, getting their hands on the crown jewel, Flash. The 2007 announcement that Freehand wouldn’t be updated came as no surprise, and Adobe’s position on this is clear: ‘Adobe has no plans to initiate development to add new features. While we recognize it has a loyal customer base, we encourage users to migrate to the new Adobe Illustrator’¦.’ To Adobe, bouncing a bunch of ‘has-beens’ into switching makes logical sense, and without any apparent fan-base in the States (a US source could only think of one designer they knew still using it) they faced no significant backlash there.
But its impending demise will feel like amputation to some. ‘For me it basically feels like an additional limb used purely for design, a third arm that understand and knows what I want’ says Nick Hard in Neville Brody’s Research Studios. Brody himself happily admits thatΒ he’s been using the program for 21 years (and has assistants younger than his favourite piece of software).
Baxi admits they ‘quietly dread the day we have to install a system update to OSX that suddenly conflicts with it’. Tony Brook reveals that ‘Adobe have finally beaten me into submission. This Christmas I did a day’s course on Illustrator. I still don’t get it’.
For this writer, once a Freehand beta-tester, it’s been ever-present on a twenty-year journey. But now my copy won’t let me print out anything containing fonts (bit of a drawback), and regularly needs re-booting/re-installing. (Not ideal). Garrett criticizes this as an inherent inability to embrace change, a sort of ‘I know what I like, and I like what I know’ culture. Er, thanks for that.
Perhaps because of this, johnson banks has moved into an odd, hybrid world where logos are often designed in the old favourite for speed, then artworked in Illustrator.
Garrett is right of course, and the news that The Designers Republic has folded should perhaps be the death-knell for their favourite piece of software too. Its central place in British Graphic design for twenty years is coming to an end.
At least there’s a glimmer of hope. It seems that Adobe has (finally) acknowledged that Illustrator could do with some of Freehand’s best bits (like multiple, different sized pages in a document, and even simple old ‘paste-inside’). Perhaps they’ll send me a copy of CS4 and I’ll be a (slightly late) beta tester? But in the meantime, I have a logo to do by this afternoon, I think I’ll just knock out a few quick ideas in a program I know well’¦
This is an adaptation of a recent piece for Creative Review magazine. Thanks to Why Not Associates, Build, Dixon Baxi, Research Studios and Spin for the images shown above.
- shaft0
3.4 billion? The best money Adobe ever spent. They acquired their only competition, killed off its competing products and became an undisputed price-dictating monopoly in a very lucrative field for what it seems like is going to be at the very least a decade.
- hereswhatidid0
freddddd?
