Gun Use?
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- instrmntl0
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Isn't there enough excitement on NTC or is it necessary to make flame bait threads? Go outside and get some fresh air.
- mg330
That Obama image I referred to pisses me off so much. I thought all the Obama hate would fade after the election. But no, all my Republican friends who hate having a black president, this is their new form of hate.
- identity0
I'm just sick of arguments in the form of viral pictures
- mg330
One more thing: I am SICK of seeing people post that image of Obama surrounded by secret service that says "guns make us less safe" on Facebook. As if we wouldn't protect a president with an armed force. Suggesting he's a hypocrite for what he said is absolute idiocy.
- Exaclty. It's one of the stupid NRA's top arguments.fredddddd
- As if normal people are as likely a target as the president. It just is for dumb people.fredddddd
- seems like tax payers are the target.teh
- Obamas afraid the NRA might try to assassinate him.monospaced
- AK_tiv470
Ya, me too @ mg33. I own a shotgun and a rifle and am also licensed to buy a hand gun. In Canada the process that allows for gun ownership is rather extensive and also is very thorough in regard to current and past relationships. The reason being to prevent domestic homicides due to relationship issues. I really do think that an armed citizenry is a deterrent to corrupt government. One thing that history teaches us is that governments are inclined towards corruption and control of populations. Resistance is not futile. Look at Vietnam, Afghanistan, (maybe not Iraq), Sudan, Cuba, etc..
That said, I think it is fair to request a psychological background check, levy hefty fines for anyone that is found to improperly store their firearms (thinking of the Connecticut shooter's [whose name deserves no mention] mother), and have mandatory safety training. I also believe that illegal guns are a much greater threat to society, especially in the states.
- albums0
Because.
- mg330
I'm kind of conflicted and indifferent to guns. In the hands of responsible people, they are fine for them to have. But within that, why the need for high capacity magazines? Why the need for so many weapons that some people have?
On the other side of it, crimes committed with a gun are most often with an illegally "owned" gun. I think murders commited with illegal guns nationaly far outweigh the number of murders commited with legally owned weapons in the hands of some psychopath like Newtown, Aurora, etc., right?
So, I struggle to see how penalizing legal gun owners impacts common crime with illegal guns, which IMO are the things common citizens see more often and really want reduced.
Here in Chicago for example, we just had the highest murder rate in the country for 2012. Majority commited with guns. Illinois has been the only state without concealed carry, which the Supreme Court just overruled. This was shortly before the Newtown shooting. Everyone expected that the state would comply, but make it terribly expensive to license a gun, require renewal every year, require training, concealed carry license, etc. Probably $600 to carry a concealed weapon. Illinois is nearly bankrupt, so it's a cash grab to get as much $$$ as possible and comply with concealed carry.
So now, who knows what they'll do. So much bullshit common crime against good citizens here in Chicago; have to say that I've been a supporter of concealed carry so that people can better protect themselves. Our police are way understaffed, gang bangers come into downtown and shopping areas and take advantage of this. If the bad guys are going to have guns, why not level the playing field? Statistics show reduction of crime in cities with concealed carry.
So, like I said, I feel conflicted about all of it.
- identity0
What is the argument, I guess I should ask?
I enjoy guns. I shoot them for sport and practice.
I enjoy learning about them and hitting that little circle in the middle of the paper target. I keep one in my home for defense, loaded, next to my bedside. Feel free to ask me questions.- Do you live in a rough area? Do you feel threatened in your own home? I'm not taking the piss, I'm genuinely curious as to why you need a gun next to your bed?goldieboy
- You feel the need to have a gun next to your bed?goldieboy
- No worries! I live in an "up and coming" part of town. I'm not that worried about being broken into (I live on the 6th floor of an appt.identity
- Complex) but healthy people still buy insurance, right? When I was younger, we were broken into at gun-point and ever since thenidentity
- I've appreciated the right to defend my own home. I'm a pragmatist - I wouldn't keep a gun in the house unless I could use it quickly.identity
- Use it quickly. It's not in the way when I sleep - but if I needed it I could be ready to go in a few seconds.identity
- Thanks. Being held at gun point sucks and I would have a gun if that happened. It's happened to my mum 3 times (she worked in banks).goldieboy
- banks - UK).goldieboy
- Every experience is different. Sorry to hear about your mom. I understand much of what the other-side says and they do have points and merits as wellidentity
- do have good points as well.
I wish it wasn't us/them.identity
- mikotondria30
Because they are fearful that someone will break into their house in the night with murderous or thievish intent, and they believe that they will be able to get to the unloaded gun, and the locked ammunition and tackle and shoot the intruder dead. This so rarely happens, but it's not unknown, and it's counter-intuitive to understand the real statistics that you or your children are many times more likely to be a victim of gun-related injury if you have a gun in the house. Besides, I, for one wouldn't ever shoot someone for the summarial crime of robbery of my stuff. It's just fucking stuff, you can't issue the death penalty for theft, only if you believe the person robbing you also intends to kill you, which they don't - they just want stuff for money. Most gun-owners are aware that criminals say the number one deterrent of breaking and robbing somewhere is the thought that the owners have guns, so it's understandable. Only nutcases cite the 2nd amendment and think that they're honestly going to hole up and fight 'The Government' if anything 'happens'. They're also the same people that wouldn't ever contemplate bad-mouthing either the military or the endless, bottomless funding for it, but fail to realise that's who they'd be fighting if the One World Government took over or whoever it is Alex Jones has decided this week.
- antagonista0
Hunters don't need assault rifles. It's simple, ban assault rifles, severely limit handguns and make hunters use small clip regular rifles and actual employ skill.
- moldero0
hunting
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- fredddddd
There's a lot of talk about American gun laws recently.
Does anyone on the gun side have a good argument though? What do they do with guns? Hunt? Trophies?
All the people say they want to protect their freedom and amendment rights. They don't say what they actually need the guns for.
