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Gun Use? 3232 Responses
Last post: 4 months, 2 weeks ago | Thread started: Jan 5, 13, 8:14 p.m.
- fredddddd
There's a lot of talk about American gun laws recently.
Does anyone on the gun side have a good argument though? What do they do with guns? Hunt? Trophies?
All the people say they want to protect their freedom and amendment rights. They don't say what they actually need the guns for.
- Jan 5, 13, 8:14 p.m. – Permalink
- antagonista
Hunters don't need assault rifles. It's simple, ban assault rifles, severely limit handguns and make hunters use small clip regular rifles and actual employ skill.
- Dog-earJan 5, 13, 8:22 p.m. – Permalink
- mikotondria3
Because they are fearful that someone will break into their house in the night with murderous or thievish intent, and they believe that they will be able to get to the unloaded gun, and the locked ammunition and tackle and shoot the intruder dead. This so rarely happens, but it's not unknown, and it's counter-intuitive to understand the real statistics that you or your children are many times more likely to be a victim of gun-related injury if you have a gun in the house. Besides, I, for one wouldn't ever shoot someone for the summarial crime of robbery of my stuff. It's just fucking stuff, you can't issue the death penalty for theft, only if you believe the person robbing you also intends to kill you, which they don't - they just want stuff for money. Most gun-owners are aware that criminals say the number one deterrent of breaking and robbing somewhere is the thought that the owners have guns, so it's understandable. Only nutcases cite the 2nd amendment and think that they're honestly going to hole up and fight 'The Government' if anything 'happens'. They're also the same people that wouldn't ever contemplate bad-mouthing either the military or the endless, bottomless funding for it, but fail to realise that's who they'd be fighting if the One World Government took over or whoever it is Alex Jones has decided this week.
- Dog-earJan 5, 13, 8:22 p.m. – Permalink
- identity
What is the argument, I guess I should ask?
I enjoy guns. I shoot them for sport and practice.
I enjoy learning about them and hitting that little circle in the middle of the paper target. I keep one in my home for defense, loaded, next to my bedside. Feel free to ask me questions.- Dog-earJan 5, 13, 8:34 p.m. – Permalink
- mg33
I'm kind of conflicted and indifferent to guns. In the hands of responsible people, they are fine for them to have. But within that, why the need for high capacity magazines? Why the need for so many weapons that some people have?
On the other side of it, crimes committed with a gun are most often with an illegally "owned" gun. I think murders commited with illegal guns nationaly far outweigh the number of murders commited with legally owned weapons in the hands of some psychopath like Newtown, Aurora, etc., right?
So, I struggle to see how penalizing legal gun owners impacts common crime with illegal guns, which IMO are the things common citizens see more often and really want reduced.
Here in Chicago for example, we just had the highest murder rate in the country for 2012. Majority commited with guns. Illinois has been the only state without concealed carry, which the Supreme Court just overruled. This was shortly before the Newtown shooting. Everyone expected that the state would comply, but make it terribly expensive to license a gun, require renewal every year, require training, concealed carry license, etc. Probably $600 to carry a concealed weapon. Illinois is nearly bankrupt, so it's a cash grab to get as much $$$ as possible and comply with concealed carry.
So now, who knows what they'll do. So much bullshit common crime against good citizens here in Chicago; have to say that I've been a supporter of concealed carry so that people can better protect themselves. Our police are way understaffed, gang bangers come into downtown and shopping areas and take advantage of this. If the bad guys are going to have guns, why not level the playing field? Statistics show reduction of crime in cities with concealed carry.
So, like I said, I feel conflicted about all of it.
- Dog-earJan 5, 13, 8:44 p.m. – Permalink
- AK_tiv47
Ya, me too @ mg33. I own a shotgun and a rifle and am also licensed to buy a hand gun. In Canada the process that allows for gun ownership is rather extensive and also is very thorough in regard to current and past relationships. The reason being to prevent domestic homicides due to relationship issues. I really do think that an armed citizenry is a deterrent to corrupt government. One thing that history teaches us is that governments are inclined towards corruption and control of populations. Resistance is not futile. Look at Vietnam, Afghanistan, (maybe not Iraq), Sudan, Cuba, etc..
That said, I think it is fair to request a psychological background check, levy hefty fines for anyone that is found to improperly store their firearms (thinking of the Connecticut shooter's [whose name deserves no mention] mother), and have mandatory safety training. I also believe that illegal guns are a much greater threat to society, especially in the states.- Dog-earJan 5, 13, 9:02 p.m. – Permalink
- mg33
One more thing: I am SICK of seeing people post that image of Obama surrounded by secret service that says "guns make us less safe" on Facebook. As if we wouldn't protect a president with an armed force. Suggesting he's a hypocrite for what he said is absolute idiocy.
- Dog-earJan 5, 13, 9:30 p.m. – Permalink
- instrmntl
http://www.qbn.com/topics/678647…
Isn't there enough excitement on NTC or is it necessary to make flame bait threads? Go outside and get some fresh air.
- Dog-earJan 6, 13, 9:35 a.m. – Permalink
- d_rek
I a gun owner, an avid hunter and have hunted my entire life, and occasionally shoot for sport.
I own a single action shotgun for big game hunting and a semi-automatic ruger .22 varmint rifle for small game, and plan on purchasing a compound bow in the near future. I do not own a pistol but have considered getting one and getting my CCW/CPL permits simply because it's my right to do so, not that I necessarily have a compelling argument for ownership. Although one could argue that simply having that Right is itself a compelling argument.
So, in speaking as not a gun owner but as a Hunter and Conservationist I think firearms do play an important role in America for several reasons.
For one, Hunting is one of the premier activities for an outdoorsman. It provides unparalleled liesure time for someone who even remotely cherishes the great outdoors. Not only that hunting your own wild game has myriad advantages to your diet and conscious - the least of which being you're eating ultra-lean meat provided from the land and you know exactly how that animal was killed and processed; something you can't rightfully say for industrialized livestock yards.
As a Conservationist most people simply do no understand that we as Human beings are the Alpha Predators in our ecology. That means we are responsible - as it has been for thousands upon thousands of years - for keeping the population of wild game in check. Game herds can and will encroach upon civilian populations if left unchecked. This is when you start to hear stories about Coyotes savaging your neighbors poodle or a brown bear running around through downtown.
Also something most people don't realize is that the popularity of Hunting (for many reasons) is at an all time low. Grandparents and parents are no longer indoctrinating the next generation into a life enriched by outdoor activity and hunting. We're a bunch of passive, city-dwelling hipsters who would as soon stop in at Chipotle and grab that burrito for our next meal than worry about actually having to work for it.
So there is more to Hunting and Firearms ownership than simply owning the firearm and killing something for a trophy. That's a gross and ridiculous simplification of the role and responsibility of the hunter in society.
Hopefully that all makes sense.
- Dog-earJan 6, 13, 12:39 p.m. – Permalink
- CygnusZero4
I go to ranges and shoot for practice, for no other reason than its fun and I really enjoy it. My girlfriend also enjoys it and its something we do together. Couldnt care less about what any asshole thinks about my hobbies.
I know a LOT of gun owners, and most of us dont have them because were worried about protecting our rights. Lol, dumbest shit I read all week. I know a lot of people that either hunt or go to the gun ranges. And I dont know a single person that owns an assault rifle. I dont know anyone that shoots them for fun or hunts with them so I dont give a shit, ban them. Wont stop people from killing with guns and it wont stop people from getting assault weapons anyway. The import business will boom and nothing will be fixed.
The US is a huge country and there are a lot of crazy people here. Why do 12 year olds in China have machine guns? Because they are fucking crazy. Not all of us that own guns are paranoid or have them because were worried about getting murdered.
- Dog-earJan 6, 13, 5:12 p.m. – Permalink
