Israel bombing shit..
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- benfal990
“Peace is the only battle worth waging”
- Albert Camus
- benfal990
“Peace cannot be kept by force, it can only be achieved by understanding”
- Albert Einstein
- benfal990
“God created war so that Americans would learn geography.”
― Mark Twain
- benfal990
"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it"
- Adolph Hitler
- detritus0
pablo28, “is it a drone?”
This, perhaps?:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a…
- imagineallthepeople-1
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"43.5% of the population of Gaza are aged between 0-14"
- lowimpakt"Whoa, that's a crazy statistic."
- nb
- imagineallthepeople0
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"How is this relevant?"
- nbwell, it's common sense to include the demographic and economic aspects of the situation into a careful analysis of a conflict. because perhaps military and policital aspects cannot explain the whole mess on their own, because maybe these are only the consequences of underlying issues. you know things like the age structure thing lowimpakt posted, thats demographics, like the horrible living conditions eoin pointed out, thats economics.
and since you got your mind blown by the age structure of gaza's population it seems relevant to provide the direct empirical reason for that statistic. maybe it's only relevant when you care about causality. as you were.
- imagineallthepeople0
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Palestinian envoy to the United Nations Human Rights Council explains why they cannot sue Israel over the Gaza conflict.
- imagineallthepeople0
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re: double standard, relevance of UN"For decades, undemocratic regimes have exploited the democracy of the UN General Assembly (where Norway and North Korea wield identical voting power) to deflect attention from their own abuses. On no subject is this more apparent than Israel: In November a UNGA interpreter was caught on a hot mic observing that its nine anti-Israel resolutions in a single day – and none on any other country — were “a bit much.”
Israel is the only country to have a dedicated agenda item at every session of the UNGA’s Human Rights Council, which has included Muammar Gaddafi’s Libya among its members and played host to leaders of Hamas. The council’s special rapporteur on the Palestinians is a 9/11 Truther who has blamed the Boston Marathon bombings on America’s “global domination project” and “Tel Aviv.”"
More on Richard Falk (still the official rapporteur to UNHCR): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ric…
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"As of 2014, Israel had been condemned in 50 resolutions by the Council since its creation in 2006—the Council had resolved almost more resolutions condemning Israel than on the rest of the world combined. The 50 resolutions comprised almost half (45.9%) of all country-specific resolutions passed by the Council, not counting those under Agenda Item 10 (countries requiring technical assistance).[50] By April 2007, the Council had passed eleven resolutions condemning Israel, the only country which it had specifically condemned. Toward Sudan, a country with human rights abuses as documented by the Council's working groups, it has expressed "deep concern".
The council voted on 30 June 2006 to make a review of alleged human rights abuses by Israel a permanent feature of every council session. The Council's special rapporteur on the Israeli–Palestinian conflict is its only expert mandate with no year of expiry. The resolution, which was sponsored by Organisation of the Islamic Conference, passed by a vote of 29 to 12 with five abstentions. Human Rights Watch urged it to look at international human rights and humanitarian law violations committed by Palestinian armed groups as well. Human Rights Watch called on the Council to avoid the selectivity that discredited its predecessor and urged it to hold special sessions on other urgent situations, such as that in Darfur."
- so Israel shouldn't be held accountable in the unga because it's not fair?Gnash
- imagineallthepeople0
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re: "apartheid", refugees, right of return, double standard"Arab discrimination against Palestinians
Many Palestinian refugees are located in Jordan, Syria and Lebanon. In 2003 Amnesty International sent a memorandum to the UN Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination (CERD), expressing concerns about discrimination against Palestinians. CERD responded in 2004, urging the Lebanese government to "take measures to ameliorate the situation of Palestinian refugees ... and at a minimum to remove all legislative provisions and change policies that have a discriminatory effect on the Palestinian population in comparison with other non-citizens."The violent takeover of Gaza by Hamas in 2007 has, so far, not been condemned at the UN. In November 2007, Ha'aretz reported that the Palestinian Authority observer at the UN, Riad Mansour, had sought to include a clause "expressing concern about the takeover by illegal militias of Palestinian Authority institutions in June 2007" and calling for the reversal of this situation. It reported diplomatic sources as saying that Mansour had been subjected to a barrage of insults, led by the representatives of Egypt, Syria and Libya. Delegates from some Arab countries had claimed that Mansour's initiative would be interpreted as an official UN condemnation of Hamas, and would gain Israel international legitimacy for cutting electricity and fuel supplies to Gaza. Mansour agreed to softer language expressing "concern about an illegal takeover."
Between May and September 2007, the Nahr al-Bared Palestinian refugee camp in Lebanon became the center of fighting between the Lebanese Internal Security Force and Fatah al-Islam gunmen. The Lebanese Army was supported in this action by Palestinian movements responsible for security in the camp. Bombing by the Lebanese army left the camp in ruins and caused the mass displacement of 27,000 Palestinian refugees to other camps. The UN Security Council issued two statements during the fighting, both condemning Fatah al-Islam and "fully support[ing] the efforts carried out by the Lebanese Government and army to ensure security and stability throughout Lebanon". Khaled Abu Toameh and Jonathan Kay faulted the UN for not condemning the Lebanese Army, arguing that it had condemned Israeli Defense Forces in similar circumstances in the past, namely the Battle of Jenin.
UNRWA perpetuating Palestinian refugee status
Several observers accuse the UN of promoting this discrimination by creating a special status for Palestinian refugees. A report by the International Federation for Human Rights stated:Because the UNRWA's position consists of the prospect of a conflict resolution leading to the creation of an independent Palestinian State and to the return of the refugees on that territory, as a definitive solution, it tends to justify the Lebanese policies granting the Palestinian refugees only a minimal legal status. In other words, the Palestinian refugees' rights are limited to the right of residence as a condition of the application of UNRWA's humanitarian assistance.[186]
A 2007 op-ed by Nicole Brackman and Asaf Rominowsky stated: UNRWA serves as a crucial tool of legitimacy for the Palestinian refugee issue — as long as the office is active, how could anyone question the Palestinian refugee problem? Thus an oxymoronic situation: Despite the Israeli disengagement from Gaza in 2005 and the creation in 1993 of a Palestinian Authority with jurisdiction over the Palestinian refugee camps in Gaza/West Bank, UNRWA remains the key social, medical, educational and professional service provider for Palestinians living in "refugee" camps. This runs contrary to every principle of normal territorial integrity and autonomy."
- imagineallthepeople0
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"He doesn't have a point, his job is to deflect, obfuscate, misdirect etc. Best ignored."
- eoinmy point is to share the other perspective on various issues regarding the current escalation and the underlying conflict, since the thread seems very one-sided and simplistic to me.
the issues are quite complex, granted, so maybe my shit isn't for everyone. stay golden eoin.
- the kill count is also one-sided and simplistic.futuremongolian
- detritus0
Perspective here all depends upon when and where you draw the lines after 1967.
If you accept that Israel as it is today exists and Palestine does not, then the Israelis utterly disproportionate use of force is wholly and utterly legal and justified, in the face of the insidious and cowardly onslaught by Hamas, hiding behind and in turn targeting civilians.
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Of course, if you take the slightly wider view and understand that the entire situation is an age-old clusterfuck that no one in their right mind should prod with their interest or curiosity, lest they come away branded an adherent of one flavour of fascism over another.
- GeorgesIV0
The issue isn't that complex, believe it or not,
if it was any other country on this planet doing what israel does to the palestinian there would be already been repercussion, the only reason the state can continue to do what they do is because the US vetoes any UN security council,
Now we can talk ad nauseum about who's right or wrong, but we both know this kind of behaviors wouldn't be accepted if it was (insert arab/african/south american/south asian country name here) doing it
- imagineallthepeople0
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"so Israel shouldn't be held accountable in the unga because it's not fair?"
– Gnashpersonally I think everybody should be held accountable, including israel.
but you can't expect the israelis to even entertain respecting resolutions when that body is obviously biased, not impartial, dogmatically pro-palestinian (or anti-israel).
apart from making the UNHR council useless and making their resolutions useless, this reflects on the UN as a whole as well, delegitimizing the whole organisation. perhaps shit like this is mildly related to the UN security council resolutions that israeli keeps ignoring, illegal occupation and that.
- utopian2
There must be gas buried in Gaza for the Jews to want to bomb Palestinian children and shit. If only them damn kids would stop throwing rocks at Israel this issue would be resolved!
- its season of sacrifice dude.yurimon
- the gas is in the water just east of Gaza. I wonder who controls it?Gnash
- oops, west! derpGnash
- rockets are being shot at israel, not stones thrown. technological superiority is the only reason for the low body count in israeladded_valium
- ... count on the israeli sideadded_valium
- futuremongolian0
Israel is the Scumbag Steve of nations.
