RIP Mobile Flash
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- ernexbcn0
Most Flash sites that are worth visiting turn your laptop into a frying pan and fans start speeding up like a 747 about to take off.
Given that premise, it was damn crazy they complained to Apple back when the 1st iPhone was released about Apple not wanting the plugin there. They didn't have the plugin ready and it turns out almost 5 years later they still don't. They couldn't get around the many issues and kept missing dates and promises.
I am glad this shit is over, can't wait to see the Flash Player for desktop to die soon too.
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but I'd rather see Flash fixed than killed, that's for suremonospaced - you can say the same about js and html5chrisRG
- yep, difficult call to make but i'd flash still performs better than html5 in most cases. there's just more of it.kingsteven
- the demand is still there, as soon as your clients start asking for html5/js/canvas banner ads you'll be making them.kingsteven
- this is bullshit - mac laptops struggle a little but i dont see these performance issues and same with HTML5/JS anywayfadein11
- GeorgesII0
Am I missing something? Why is there this movement to boycott Flash?
Still there has yet to sites that compare in functionality, reliability and consistency. I've seen some 'good' sites, but they lack the details (like 75% is smooth, then there are holes in the presentation).
Someone point me to the reasoning or examples if I missed something.
- When SJ said he dislikes Flash, he made up the mind of thousand people. Yet they will deny that.chrisRG
- Stop making sense Georges!ORAZAL
- Goodby Silverstein's site is a pretty good reason to abandon Flash. Hello 2001!soundsinsilence
- monospaced0
I really wish Adobe wouldn't give up. It's a huge faith killer in their company.
Sure, Apple didn't want any part of their Flash software on the iOS and had good reasons, but I wish people wouldn't see it as a boycott or war between the companies. Just about every other phone does support Flash, so you can't realistically blame a single company/manufacturer for their demise. Ok, now I have no idea who I'm talking to, because nobody here even blamed Apple...or did they?
Anyway, I wish Adobe would just fucking get their shit together and make a kickass Flash player that owns the mobile world, scaled to mobile hardware, optimized for the cellular bandwidth and so on. They can't blame the industry, or the success of another company, they can only blame themselves for not making it work.
- < !! after all....YouTube made a "flash" mobile player--can it be that hard?Christa
- instrmntl0
This is a great topic and I think it should be discussed. But honestly, when someone like monospaced chimes in who is a designer for a financial company no less and has no real bearing on the discussion, I find it hard to get a real conversation going. Ben you're great, but you have no bearing in this, nor does most of the people discussing this. It would be great if the people in the industry chatted about it and the repercussions, but in a psuedo designer forum, its kind of pointless.
- instrmntl0
most of the comments here are really regurgitated. If you truly had an understanding about the web, advertising, and the conundrum, then you wouldn't be saying 80% of the stupid shit I've just read.
- formed0
I am with GII on this. Why the Flash hate? Is everyone hoping to get more business for the non-Flash programmers??
I still, have yet to see a HTML5 website that approaches the best Flash websites, on any front (reliability, functionatliy, look/feel, etc.).
And yeah, when one company is basically the driving force behind a new tool (iPhone) and completely dominates the press and market, goes out and promotes killing another company, I can certainly blame them for the majority of the death.
But I also agree Adobe has dropped the ball in a big way. They've had ample time to come out with something. I wish they would, I'll gladly boycott Apple if anyone can come out with something even comparable (still hoping the hardware can catch up and Mango is good, as the iPhone4S is a big dropped ball, imho).
- hotroddy0
it's straight from Jobs' authorized bio: Steve Jobs banned Flash in retaliation against Adobe. He had a grudge against adobe since mid nineties.
- but blaming one company for Flash's demise is reachingmonospaced
- I don't think so. Apple was the only one racing to wet the bed. It's not like the public knows the difference.CyBrainX
- instrmntl0
I know we all know about devices, thats great. you have an iphone, a mac, know about design, and maybe know about campaigns. are you working for clients? are you trying to push technology in your job? are you faced with deadlines and real usability issues? i'm not just speaking about the web, which most of you are. if you don't understand, then just shut the fuck up. I love QBN but honestly you all sound like fucking idiots.
- so with 3 comments you also managed to say nothing. well done.eficks
- chrisRG0
the best thing about all these threads: (thanks @fadein11)
"fuck these endless team battles... pc vs mac, html5 vs flash, ios vs android - tedious unproductive bullsh"seriously, when brands became religion something is really wrong!!
- GeorgesII0
This is a funny topic, you hear people saying things about html5 as a replacement for Flash. All I have ever seen are rudimentary games and video players. The shit isn't ready for prime time yet. I work for a newspaper company we have 30-40 web sites. stats say that less than 4% of users come from iOS. While over 20% come from IE6.
I made an infographic that was judged for an in-house competition in flash and some dick said "flash is so five years ago". Should I start making everything in html5 and alienate 20% of our users to appeal to 4% of users? That is retarded logic.
So many people want to be on the cutting edge of things when the tools are not even there yet.
- The "cool" factor has overtaken logic in the past 5 - 10 years... I always thought logic WAS cool!ideaist
- hah, it's amazing the way there's an army of non-coders arguing this. as if there are any decent Flash developers that don't also code HTML/JS/Canvaskingsteven
- aren't also doing HTML5/JS/Canvaskingsteven
- ernexbcn0
@instrmntl if you truly had an understanding about the web, advertising and the conundrum you'd know that cramming the bloated Flash Player plugin into a mobile device like an smartphone was a dead end road, it was 5 years ago and still is.
You'd also know this doesn't affect your industry at all, nobody cared about Flash in a smartphone or at least it hasn't hampered the development of other stuff for mobile devices so far, be it native apps or mobile adapted sites.
- vaxorcist0
All randomness aside.....
I still use flash to play mp3's on musician websites....
Does anyone here know a good non-flash way to play mp3's that make it hard for non-techies to copy the mp3's?
I need to find a way that works on iphones too....
- instrmntl0
Hahaha, man I really write stupid shit when I'm drunk at 3am. Apologies to all.
- haha, it's cool. I write it when I'm sober in the day, so you've got that on me....mikotondria3
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- animatedgif0
"Take for example banners. How much easyier is it to animate a banner or simple tasks in flash than javascript"
Does the world need animated banners?
They're fucking boring to design,
boring to build,
expensive,
annoying to users,
waste of battery,
easy to block completely,
and no one fucking clicks on them.
Kill them the fuck off, get rid, and get rid of all the ridiculous industry and NON-JOBS of talentless fucks behind them, traffic managers, project managers and other cunts who sell those rectangular turds, kill it all the fuck off.Have better content on your site and sell tasteful static ads, your users will fucking thank you for it.
- detritus0
@georges, @kingsteven
I've been professionally involed in the web since '98 so am at least a little aware of Flash's impact and relevance in the industry.
After you've gotten over yourselves, go back and read what I actually wrote - note I didn't say 'Flash should never have existed', I said words to teh effect of 'Boz's corner of the industry should never have existed' - ie. the shitty over consumerised excess content-pushing bullshit that anyone who's actually honest with themselves (and not merely trying to score points with themselves) as a web user and as a human being, wopuld have to concede is superfluous to need.
Especially in mobile.
I've many times said I value Flash's position in pushing the envelope, but that's by the by.
That aside - please remember that some of us have our tongues firmly lodged in our cheeks when engaging with this increasingly credulous and literal, increasingly fuckwitted site.
- I still have no idea what you mean by "Boz's corner of the industry" - his portfolio is pretty much straight up web/ app design/development.kingsteven
- development, certainly not as decedent as i've developed...kingsteven
- inteliboy0
I fail to see why anyone could argue a plugin is a good thing to have on the web.
- voxel10
*Long time troll coming up for air.
I have to agree with Georgesll, personally I couldn’t give a monkeys what the tech is that I have to use to produce something as long as it works for the target audience and their set up.
I think the attitude towards flash and flash developers is a real odd one. In retrospect, yes, with how tech as developed over the years flash’s presence may be overstayed and inappropriate for certain set ups and audiences but it seems that some people simply relish in knowledge that soon the “flash desperados” will be out of work and banished to the scrap heap – and serves them right for investing in such a shitty idea. Granted most will re-train and make the switch to other technologies. But just as people I find it a real shitty and petulant stand point. This industry is one of the most prissy arrogant industries I’ve come across – it’s starting to get really sad. I come from a place where most of the people I know aren’t in this industry or industries anything like this and you never hear them pissing and moaning about such shite. I’ve never heard 2 plasters bitching on about this manufacturer of trowel is way better the that one – if you did you would be rightly pimp slapped and shunned for being a right bell end. pc vs mac, ios vs android, flash vs html5, vs vs vs – really? Adults, really?- heckloads of industries have squabbles - usually technically-oriented or still-developing ones.detritus
- I'm wholly unsurprised plasterers or brickes don't spend time arguing about their tools - they're hundreds, if not thousands, of years old.detritus
- thousands, of years old.detritus
- they jsut don't give a fuk. They just get on with the job in hand.voxel1
- the tools work... damn, what is the brick laying equivalent of IE6? :-Dkingsteven
- voxel, your phrases are great "right bell end", "plasters", good stuff.CyBrainX
- That would be making your own out of clay, I suppose.ian
- that is a real good effort on my part - usually even i can't understand what i write. For some reson i have started typing "the" and "teh" as well, not just sometime but consistantlyvoxel1
- typing "the" as "teh" - consistanlty.
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