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- yuekit4
Soleimani has fueled a lot of nasty conflicts and killed a lot of people, directly or indirectly, many of them American soldiers — though it's worth noting also that much of his recent effort has been dedicated to fighting ISIS (with great effectiveness, by all accounts) in a tacit uneasy alliance with U.S. forces.
Yet even the worst of Soleimani's record pales in comparison with the most blood-drenched American warmongers. If Soleimani deserves condemnation for arming Iraqi insurgents, then George W. Bush and Dick Cheney deserve 10 times as much for starting the war in the first place. It was a pointless, illegal war of aggression sold on lies that obliterated Iraqi society and killed perhaps half a million people, almost all of them innocent civilians. (Our own Soleimani, General David Petraeus, was connected to the operation of Iraqi torture dungeons and paramilitary death squads during the fight against the insurgency.)
If Soleimani deserves blame for helping Bashar al-Assad brutally defeat Syrian rebels, Henry Kissinger deserves 10 times as much for orchestrating the bombing slaughter of perhaps a quarter million Cambodians and paving the way for the Khmer Rouge genocide that killed 1.7 million people.
If any accused war criminal at an airport is fair game, then there are a lot of people in D.C. and Northern Virginia who better start traveling by train or ship.
Indeed, the Quds Force itself was originally created during the Iran-Iraq War, which was started by a heavily U.S.-backed Saddam Hussein in 1980. A million Iranians died in the grueling eight-year conflict. And the reason the Islamic Republic exists in the first place is because the United States and Britain toppled Iran's fledgling democracy in 1953 and installed a brutal dictator.
It is not exactly hard to understand why Iran — like about every other country in the Middle East — keeps some brutal, hard people like Soleimani around. It's a violent, unstable neighborhood, and war is an unavoidable reality. And no country is more responsible for that fact than the United States.
Chauvinist American commentators always presume America has the best intentions, and that the American military is composed of saintly warrior-poets. The reality is that the lumbering American colossus has unleashed a Thirty Years' War-level of violent chaos all around Iran for no good reason at all. We are ruled by a president who recently reversed the demotion of a guy turned in by his own fellow soldiers for war crimes — namely, gleefully murdering helpless prisoners, old men, and little girls for sport.
- Sort of surprised to see an article like this on a mainstream American news site. Hard to find anything to disagree with here though.yuekit
- All these Americans cheering because "Trump killed the evil terrorist" have the mentality of a 5 year old. It makes sense I guess if you selectively forget theyuekit
- past 50 years of history, including the fact that Trump and his people triggered this most recent confrontation with Iran themselves.yuekit
- yeah but emails._niko
- i agree. but i do find it funny u mentioned bush but left out obama illegal wars and blood on his hands as welldeathboy
- especially the legality of use of executive power especiallyw ith drone attacks.deathboy
- I didn't write the article, but seems like he's running through the "highlights" of American war crimes. Obama wasn't up there with Bush or Kissinger.yuekit
- arguing for an hour with my pops picking up my dog on it. bless his heart he is a conservative but being twisted by media in a lump sum them vs us.deathboy
- my pops doesn't stand for anything of todays rep party. But he gets riled up to follow the lesser sorts promoted by mediadeathboy
- Also give Obama some credit, when it comes to Iran he's the one U.S. president who wasn't chomping at the bit to invade and actually negotiated with them.yuekit
- and starting to repeat shit I know he doesnt even beleive in as talking points (challenge and he'll say wait no but... they said it) all because thedeathboy
- out of defensive instinct to radical left. The AOC and types preaching free everything ignoring any democratic process or fiscal repsonsibilitydeathboy
- he even questioned wehter i was liek my LA sister socialsit liberal type. thinking becuase i challenged view iran guy shoudlnt get murdered i must be socialistdeathboy
- liberal type. Bad mouthing america talkign of our foreign policy. he'll get over it or already has. sent him some study materialdeathboy
- but seeign a change. this polarization of party shit has gotta stop. making peopel lose their objective mindsdeathboy
- yea ukit obama iran policy was good i thoughtdeathboy
- it was one of the stronger points of his administrationdeathboy
- syria libya pakistan... not so much, but maybe why he was friendlier to irandeathboy
- nk is trumps iran.. goddamn bs politics. sick ogf these few fuckin leaders who ruin countries for the masses ith no loss to themselvesdeathboy
- but allies and backdoor deals. im sure saudis will like the increased oil prices with aramcio recent ipo. and dems waitign on a terrorist act now to blame trumpdeathboy
- hoping the bigger the better.sayign you stupid proud orange turd bragging. no you personally killed X amountdeathboy
- its early but i dont like any future scenario from this actiondeathboy
- but still american policy despite political party has equally done harm. only playing teams for identity politics will never do shitdeathboy
- just side line cheerleaders to fuckdeathboy
- fucking notesboymonospaced
- everyone cheer for mono and his insecurities!deathboy
- you go girl!deathboy
- insecurity? about what? it's you who has the chip on the shoulder for your failed education and future life planning, not me.monospaced
- I'm just laughing at your habit of writing dozens of notes, and that triggered you into childish name calling. That's textbook insecurity, you fucktard.monospaced
- Bennn-2
Iran + Russia + China + North Korea
VS
USA + England + Germany + France + Allies (Canada, Australia, New Zealand and others)
This is scary. Russia and China alone are probably strong enough to take out the World very easily.
- you are on optimist man. yout think gb, germany and france will join? i don't think so. gb maybe since joris is pm.renderedred
- If shit hits the fan, they wont have any other choice but to joinBennn
- Weapons have greatly evolved since WWII, we're on another level of destruction now.Bennn
- Ben you are old fashion, you don't need armies anymore silly...robotron3k
- renderered: did you forget about NATO? ALL of Europe will join. Also there's India which is firmly on our side.zarkonite
- france didn´t join the invasion in iraq, don´t see why any of them should join. & will. maybe gb. i´am speculating, the others no.neverscared
- Lol, Nato will not join unless Putin moves or interstellar war. So good luck with your orange kid playing games with ppls livesgrafician
- Yeah i was talking about a full on scale world war hereBennn
- That never gonna happen. Also there's no world, only Europe, US, Russia and China. The rest will bend. Learn some history please.grafician
- In a few hundred years the world = China.inteliboy
- ^Not really, but that movie Cloud Atlas had it pretty close (the futuristic parts): there will be only caste systems, no matter the nationality.grafician
- ^and the world will be ruled by corporations, which don't give a fuck about nationality or ideology as long as they making moneyzgrafician
- also in geopolitics there's no room for ideologies or "friends/alies" or sides, only mutual interests.grafician
- Russia, with the GDP of Spain, is no longer much of a military threatGnash
- ^Exactly Gnash. China is not doing that well either economically just trying to flexgrafician
- ^ this topic deserves its own thread. Am fascinated by where the world is heading and the power struggles of nations.inteliboy
- ^only if we agree to keep it civilised and only post stuff we know about for a fact pleasegrafician
- uhm how do you create a new post?! :))
I don't see any "create new post" buttons around ffsakegrafician - nvrmind I found it in the hamburger menugrafician
- Boris would no more join in this shitshow than France, Germany or the vast majority of the EU. This is the culmination of Trump's incompetence and his....Eighty
- to deal with alone. Good luck and hope the flag-hugging helped.Eighty
- All this talk and nobody talking about the fact that there aren’t two sides in any of this in the first place.monospaced
- PhanLo2
Donald had his cock out and was ready to go, but bailed 10 mins before, apparently. Man of peace. Saviour of the earth.
https://www.theguardian.com/worl…- Honestly, he thinks physical war is a waste. This should make the left salivate but it doesn't.robotron3k
- He can do no wrong, the man is a shagger genius powered by the holy spirit. Whatever he chooses to do will be the right path.PhanLo
- For someone who thinks physical war is a waste, he sure is great at escalating the threat and possibility of war.T-Dawg
- probably his only saving grace is that he has no stomach for war_niko
- fire and furymonospaced
- He put people in places of power that have been calling for war with Iran for decades...then we move a fleet to sit inches away...formed
- then there are convenient tanker incidents, drone going down...he wants to appease his ego and that means re-election, best way to do that is be in a warformed
- Sad his lackeys go to defend this terrifying, yet crystal clear, agenda.formed
- Bennn5
Pompeo :
Soleimanni wanted to attack American sites. We know for sure.... We dont know exactly where, how and why ... but we know. Believe us. We are sure. Thats why we killed him. Trust us.- He really said "we had very precise informations" and "but we dont know where, when and why" .... thats very precise manBennn
- trump also hat the biggest crowd at the inauguration. the precision level is shit with this admin. thats why it will crumble hard sooner or later.neverscared
- MarleyMarl3
As served up by the almighty organization of truth and facts. #maga
- German Survey - so not Fox news. Surprised they did this considering how far up Trumps arse they areIanbolton
- I don't get why people think that pussy-hole Jong Un is such a threat. It's China and Russia you wanna worry about.Hayzilla
- No one is worried about China and Russia starting a war. They won't. NK, Iran, etc., no one knows what they will do.formed
- Boris the other 19%?Gardener
- Nairn0
- Are we died now?robotron3k
- the neighbour's kids lit some firecrackers on the driveway and ran away (using Bennn's analogy)Gnash
- Not bad for Iranian's capabilities, quite accurateOBBTKN
- But, incredible the poor anti-air protection of a massive base like this...OBBTKN
- Ballistic missiles need to be stopped well before they get anywhere near their target - preferably during the launch phase.Nairn
- what am i looking at?sted
- Ain Assad Airbase, earlier today.Nairn
- @sted the "slap" Iran gave the US.Krassy
- Yeah Nairn, but was protected only with AA canons... And it's supposed US have got ABM in their arsenalOBBTKN
- no red circles=no context.sted
- this is a muslim cultural siteBustySaintClaire
- NBQ004
If a WW3 truly happens now at least I won‘t have to repay all my debt. Yay.
- But Kapernick is upset about this...robotron3k
- AOC is mad too, scary man in White House make boom boom kill babies and orphans and step-childrens. He bad man.robotron3k
- Ok roboNBQ00
- More maturity coming from robo, shocker.formed
- PonyBoy4
U.S. to send 3,000 troops to Middle East after embassy attack, Soleimani killing
- PhanLo2
Deleted tweet from Big Eric- He's so cooooll....CyBrainX
- These people are disconnected from reality. They act like its a game or somethingBennn
- Dumb Trump Son #2 knew the was going to happen, and the Gang of 8 Democrats like Schumer and Pelosi weren't briefed.mg33
- ^ THIS IS NOT NORMAL. THIS IS NOT HOW THIS WORKS.mg33
- its the only language their base understands. he was obviously talking to their base.pango
- Krassy2
US severs Iran’s oil export lifeline. A hawkish new Revolutionary Guards chief prepares payback
- Bolton has had a hard on for an Iran conflict for decades.BonSeff
- Iran already tried to block the straight of hormuz, the market didn't even budge by a cent. They don't have the power to block shit v USA.zarkonite
- @BonSeff yup! Bolton ain't kidding around.Krassy
- Bolton is a lunatic and a danger to the world. Terrifying the man has so much power. America is done if we start a war.formed
- utopian2
Trump reportedly told associates he killed Qassem Soleimani because he was under pressure from GOP senators before his impeachment trial
https://www.wsj.com/articles/tru…
#HeroOfTheStupid
#MAGA2020- When will the dumb fucking trumptards ever get it?utopian
- no suprise everybody know hes an idiot, at least that´s the vibe in europe.neverscared
- "dumb fucking trumptards" - care to name names or just group every individual together like a bigot?robthelad
- utopian3
- https://twitter.com/…garbage
- The video as well because it's really just insane that anybody still supports Helmet Head.garbage
- And for anyone who is interested, that's the actual name of the hairspray that he uses. Helmet Head. The world is dumb.garbage
- garbage... u are funny... a banned person name funny?deathboy
- OBBTKN0
Relax kids, nothing is going to happen. Only oil and arm investors getting your monies...
- Exactly.grafician
- +1renderedred
- and trump is a pussyhotroddy
- worst thing they can do is to provoke that idiot into a war and turn the world against the us for starting it.sted
- Yeah, just like we won the Iraq war in less than 3 months. Piece of cake!formed
- @formed and a war with iran would be 10 times worse than vietnam.renderedred
- Beeswax0
Iran says US has no ‘shred of factual or circumstantial evidence’ that Tehran attacked oil tankers
https://www.reddit.com/r/worldne…
"I would lean more heavily on it being Israel with Saudi support and a tacit nod from the U.S.
Remember Bolton was in Israel not to long ago. The first reports about an 'imminent attack' on Navel shipping came from Israel and they would not provide sources.
The Saudis and the Israelis BOTH want America to engage in war with Iran, they want Iran gone with as minimal risk to their own citizenry as possible and Trump and Bolton are more than willing to throw american lives into the meat grinder in hopes of keeping power.
Israel has a recorded history of false flags just like this. They have the expertise and the know how."
- as false flags go this has to be one of the most retarded, which is apt considering the administration.fadein11
- Sorry I just saw that this has been discussed below. I follow news 2 days behind.Beeswax
- This is no dumber than going to war over a convoy of milk trucks, don’t put anything past them._niko
- beeswax blames the jewsshoes
- More blaming Israel than The Jews. Even the popular Israeli-made TV Series ‘The Mossad’ states national policy on this sort of thing fairly explicitlyNairn
- ..and I'm not sure how well represented The Jews are in the Saudi administration...
:)Nairn
- NBQ000
Propaganda? False Flag? Somebody wants war...
- This tanker, like the prev no Bombing were bound for Japan. Also Japanese Prez just arrived yesterday for talks...robotron3k
- They "think" it was a torpedo. WH says it was Iran. Shocker. Fear monger and fabrication until war (if Tman isn't ousted soon).formed
- where are we on the 'tit for tat' / 'pavlov' rounds? http://wiki.c2.com/?…shapesalad
- why would Iran goad the US into a war? this has Saudi Arabia, Mossad and the CIA all over it._niko
- how close is Iran to having a nuke? do they already perhaps?_niko
- Not normally into conspiracy theories...but...thi... stinks to high heaven.BusterBoy
- youtube comments are gold, nobody's buying it for a second._niko
- BonSeff2
This story is strangely not getting a lot of media attention. I wonder why that is the case?
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States accused China on Friday of putting well more than a million minority Muslims in “concentration camps,” in some of the strongest U.S. condemnation to date of what it calls Beijing’s mass detention of mostly Muslim Uighur minority and other Muslim groups.
- moldero1
- oh! yep. I see what he did there. He illustrated a metaphor by drawing it and labelling the items involved. Awesome.mikotondria3
- you're being an ass but this is editorial cartoon format for the past centuryidiots
- Private yatch's especially.detritus
- Private Yatch's what?detritus
- Who is this Yatch fellow?i_monk
- PhanLo1
Iran’s Top Nuclear Scientist Killed in Attack, State Media Say.
Wonder if this was part of Jared's peace in the middle east party.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/…
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- Hmmm, is this not simply terrorism? Funny how people don't call it that.yuekit
- State sponsored terrorism for sure. Last pump of Spunk from mushroom cocked Donnie trying to fuck up the whole regionPhanLo
- Israel man, they have a massive rage boner for Iranian scientists.face_melter
