Prometheus

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  • futuremongolian0

    Saw it over the weekend. Loved it.

  • teh0

    So was Scott a christian? Do most religions use the symbol of water as rebirth? Was the engineer falling into the water a plan for the black tar to migrate to other creatures in the water to create new hybrid alien off-spring?

    What was the time frame of the alien falling into the water to Prometheus landing on planet?

    Most of the movie was bad but by Scott planting this in the beginning opens too many cans of worms for me :)

    • The answer to all of these questions is...Horp
    • 'who gives a fuck?'Horp
    • Thought you were gonna say ALIENS?teh
  • liamh0
  • Akagiyama0

  • inv0

    Come on. It really sucked?? Seriously? I coudl understand it if you thought it was average, but this movie was way better than most of the action junk that is released these days.

    And why does every aspect ( and character) of a movie have to be perfect? Most movies are so over explained that a monkey could understand them. I find it liberating that some directors trust the viewers to fill in some gaps..use your imagination..

    • Whaaaat? This film isn't bad because I'm incapable of filling in gaps, its crap because its sloppy and incoherent.Horp
    • Well, i didnt think it was and apparently so didnt 80% of imdb&rottentomato users either...inv
    • As long as you're in the majority you're okay buddy. General rule for life actually... go with the herd.Horp
  • liamh0
  • attentionspan0

    One thing that bothers me though ( havent seen it yet ) judging from the trailer, is how come in the same univers much before the alien this ship has super high tech interface.

    Is this mentioned in the movie? Is it because that the nostromo ship was an old rusty workship that couldnt afford upgrades?

    • Can't exactly maintain visual continuity with a late 70s filmukit2
    • Lol. Why didn't they have blowback perms as well?biusness
    • 1979, back when you could smoke on spaceshipsStugoo
    • Still though Ridley started it, why not just make it after the alienattentionspan
    • There will always be holes like this in sci-fi. If you cannot accept that you will not enjoy it..inv
    • The excuse the writer told in a media event was that the Nostromo was a mining ship therefore not fancyernexbcn
    • sorry mate, but this has to be the dumbest comment I've read in this thread,
      Good job SIR!!
      GeorgesII
    • No diff than the Star Trek reboot or even the 'Enterprise' series.ETM
  • attentionspan0

    Scott is very interested in returning for the sequel and so is Lindelof, but Lindelof believes a new writer should step in. "It could actually benefit going into someone else's able hand," he said. "Although, I feel like some storyline has already been constructed based on conversations that Ridley and I had about it."

    In other words Lindelof has no idea what to do now i guess ancient aliens didnt cover this

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  • 74LEO0

    No Asrans in Promethemufmufmuf???

    • Yeah there was, the pilot. And even he made fun of token black guy. Said he's a terrible pilot.CygnusZero4
    • haah haah i gotta see it now for the token black guy, was asian guy talking math a lot?74LEO
    • Oh Bene Wong?74LEO
    • I love talking to Asians with british accents sooo cool74LEO
    • I'd love to know the story behind this imaged_rek
  • elahon0

    New full trailer, HD:

  • 74LEO0

    when the alien jumped into the water after drinking the black tar still makes me think. id like to hear everyone elses thoughts on that.

    • Google it... There're tons of interpretations on the interwebOBBTKN
    • i guess its the why the engineer did it. really the only thing i liekd about it.74LEO
    • that wasn't black tar.futuremongolian
    • what was it? black goo?74LEO
  • teh0

    ^
    Sorry or was it all chance, random luck it fell in the water. Also wondering if they are protandry or protogyny? <- had to look that one up.

    • he sacrificed himself.Ramanisky2
    • do you think he meant to fall in the water?teh
    • yes .. he was planting his DNA in the waterRamanisky2
  • Maaku0

    The air is fresh inside the "pyramid" but did you notice that the engineer went from his ship to the other without a mask at the very end, when he tried to kill that bitch??? Well I did....

    • you don't know if they require the same air as we do.pango
    • he could of been holding his breath. the guy seemed pretty powerful.inteliboy
    • < lolMaaku
  • ukit20

    Ancient Aliens: The Movie

  • Horp0

    We should put this into perspective. We felt let down by this film but really when you look at the entire Lien series... the first one was memorable (and good, really fucking good) because it did something original: it took the horror genre into space. The second movie was a rollicking good action movie and most people enjoyed it, but it wasn't an conic piece of cinema. The third movie, well I enjoyed it to be honest, but most thought it sucked. Alien 4 was utter cacka, and then there's the Alien vs Predator shite.

    So really we're expressing our disappointment in the latest installment of a set of films that really only has one, aging, gem in it, and if we were to be really really REALLY honest about it... that first film wasn't exactly perfect either.

    I thought Prometheus was utter shit and I was bitterly disappointed, but at this point now I think its merely a film that reflects the state of cinematic movie making now and it could probably not have been any other way... much the same as the original Alien was a film that perfectly reflected the state of cinematic movie making back then and would not have been any other way either.

    • Alien, not Lien.Horp
    • I disagree that it could "not have been any other way". I think this could have had a great story.monospaced
  • TheMagicSheep0

    http://io9.com/5960275/what-did-…

    Yesterday Jon Spaihts' original Prometheus script popped up on the internet. And it included lots, and lots, and lots of differences with the version that we actually saw on screen, after Damon Lindelof had rewritten it. But what are the biggest changes, and does it make any more sense?

    Find out for yourself. We've rounded up a list of the most monumental differences between Spaihts' script and the final product. Major spoilers ahead, if you haven't seen Prometheus...
    First up, we don't have Damon Lindelof's actual script on hand, so we can't say 100% what Lindelof added and what Ridley Scott changed during filming. For example, we know from set photos that the original "Elder Engineer gathering" was shot, but didn't make the final cut. However there are still plenty of differences between the two films that obviously couldn't have been filmed at all — because they would have changed the entire plot of the movie. Here are the more obvious differences.

    Little Things

    Real quick, let's run down a few minor changes we noticed right off the bat. For one, Prometheus was originally titled Alien: Engineers. Second, the ship was originally called the Magellan. The infamous black goo is a lot less goo-like, and transforms into a swarm of insects, often likened to scarabs. The Engineers didn't create humans, they merely infected us in our primitive years, and sped up our evolution (there's a scene of a primate lady getting bit by a black goo bug, thus injecting her with smartypants DNA). And also Shaw is called Watts (but we kept it to Shaw for this review).

    Meeting Weyland

    Weyland is NOT on board the Prometheus. The first time Shaw and Holloway meet the old man, he's on a Weyland Wheel space station trying to figure out the engineering difficulties that surround terraforming. This is an epic moment because it sets up Weyland's ruthlessness. He steals the scientists' notes and tells them he wants to be God. He comes across as a man willing to do whatever to get what he wants. And he also sets up the scientists bad decision making skills. Shaw and Holloway basically trade funds for the ship, crew, and time, as long as Weyland gets to keep all the technology they find. Which... there's no way THAT will come back and bite them in the ass.

    David's Ritual

    You meet David on Mars with Weyland. When the crew heads out into space David is also there greeting them and helping them out of hypersleep. However, David's Ritual, the very Lost-esque "Mamma Cass getting ready" moment, isn't in the draft. There's no basketball, Lawrence of Arabia , root dyeing — all the attempts David makes to be human are missing from the draft. In fact, all of the hypersleep moments are gone. You don't get to see Vickers doing her insane wake-up pushups, or Shaw throwing up — which was great character building detail. Point to Lindelof on this one.

    Vickers

    Vickers is NOT Weyland's daughter. She no longer has some super creepy agenda (well she keeps the terraforming thing a secret, but who cares — it's not like she's harboring her crypt keeper father on board). In Spaiths' version Vickers isn't trying to impress her father, she's pissed. She was ordered to follow the scientists on this mission, thus losing her place in line as CEO of Weyland. She doesn't believe in the alien theory and hates everything about this mission. Gone are the creepy rules about "first contact," replaced with one really bitter (slightly older) woman.

    Holloway

    Holloway is almost an entirely different character. He's no longer some sort of weird robot racist. Also when they finally get to investigate the Engineers lair, and find actual dead Engineers, he doesn't pout and turn into a giant drunk baby. While he's still a bit disappointed, Holloway seems pretty excited that they discovered alien life. Which is nice.

    The Chestburster

    The most jarring change has to be Holloway's death. Instead of being poisoned by David (for reasons) Holloway blacks out inside the Engineer building. He returns to the human ship, altered and terrified. Looking for solace he turns to his lady love, Shaw, and they start to make the beast with two backs. Clearly Holloway has been facehuggered — because soon enough, a terrible, horrible creature bursts through his chest (tentacles waving out of his throat). He dies instantly and the little bugger goes after Shaw. Which sets up the first ever early version of a Xenomorph, and establishes that this creature has smarts. Shaw escapes by hiding in the closet which, horrifyingly, the baby Xeno almost gets into by flattening itself and trying to crawl under the door. YIKES.

    David

    David the android is much more villainous in this version of the script. And with Weyland not around to direct his eager-to-please android son, all of David's actions are strictly personal. When Shaw realizes David is completely out of control and threatens him, he attacks her like a robot menace, legs running faster than a human's. In order to silence Shaw (an order Weyland gave him before the mission, that he's taking great liberty with) the android lets a very early version of a facehugger infect Shaw (he holds her down while it attacks). Oh and the medi pod scene where Shaw cuts out her parasite is still very much in this version — but with a twist.

    It's David who makes the decision to awaken the Engineers. During the two and a half years it took to reach the Engineers' outpost, David learned how to think in "trinary code." The language and logic process of the Engineers. Once mastered, the code delivered him from "slavery." Which means he doesn't have to take orders from Weyland or Vickers any more. Anxious to meet his liberators, David wakes the last sleeping Engineer up, and his head is immediately ripped off, much like in the original. It's really and truly android curiosity that kills the crew.

    Terraforming > The Fountain of Youth

    Weyland is not some scary tree-beard creature looking for the secret to eternal youth. Rather, he wants the secrets to terraforming. This is why he sends the crew there. And that's why Vickers is there. He is not on board the ship at all — but rather, a whole crew of hibernating military type folks are, whom Vickers awakens once she discovers the aliens' terraforming tech.

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    The End

    The final scene of Alien: Engineers isn't Shaw and David Lost In Space. Nope. Shaw is still stranded in Vickers' super sweet life boat, which hasn't been destroyed after it was ejected. Shaw is still hella pissed at David for sticking her with a facehugger, waking up the Engineer and everything else on the long list of terrible things that David did. However now she's stranded alone, in this fancy lifeboat. The conclusion fast forwards a few weeks ahead and shows Shaw living in the pod, scavenging the wreckage of their ship for supplies (Xenomoprh-like head spiked outside of her door) and playing chess with the voice of David. She's left David's noggin in the Engineer's ship, but still talks to him via their communication devices. He's trying to convince her to come get him, but she's not into it. Shaw believes someone will come, but David, being the delightful snarky little shit that he is says something to the tune of, "yes but who?" The last thing you see is the Engineer pyramid, sending off a giant light from the top of the building. The light heads through space to another planet. Where a ton of other pyramid buildings also light up. Uh oh!

    Verdict

    It's hard to say which one is better. The Spaiths' script much simpler. It hints at the big questions without getting lost in the answers. Also there's just heaps and heaps of character development that is lost in the final product. However David is still pretty flawed in this version. And the Lindelof routine really helped flesh him out quite a bit more. Lindelof is better at world building.

    We can't say if we would have rather had a chestburster and a facehugger over the snake monster. But the idea of an early formed Xenomorph running around the ship terrorizing the crew is never a bad idea. Hell, it worked in all the other Alien movies. The saddest cut has to be losing the terraforming as a secret motivation for the expedition. Cutting out the vaguely written mysticism about living forever in favor of pure profits fits the Weyland we grew up with much better. Plus, the terraforming communities are a big part of this world. Both versions needed a lot more love, but we're leaning towards the Spaihts draft, purely for keeping so much new age mysticism and daddy issues out of the equation.

    • What did Damon Lindelof add to Prometheus? The Biggest Differences from the Original Draft...TheMagicSheep
  • Stugoo0

    I stand corrected Alien was on LV-426, prometheus landed on LV-223.

    • Exactly!inv
    • haven't seen the movie yet (premieres august here) but the map they find is of a cluster of planets?ernexbcn
    • or stars? if it's planets then they could have landed in anotherernexbcn
    • << why read up so much before you see it? Totally ruins the experiencebiusness
    • I got this from the fucking trailersernexbcn
    • stugoo is a slow one...inteliboy
    • But you're on here, probably checking out IMDB and forums too. No point, totally destroys the spectaclebiusness
  • prophetone0

    so we're all in agreement then. prometheus, best movie ever.

    • if they do a prequel to prometheus i would see it because the engineers are interestingteh
  • monospaced0

    I'm still trying to put this in perspective. The other Alien movies had plots that made sense, mostly because they were simple. I'm not saying that complicated is bad, but these guys made it complex for no reason whatsoever. With they would have just given us some understanding. The story here indicated that they would at some point talk to the creator, and they spend all this time and energy to this end, and at the last minute they clamor for the opportunity and it's awesome and then ... they argue about what to ask, the cyborg stares at it like a moron, and then it punches them in the face and takes off. I'm sitting there going, ok, maybe they'll explain something, but then I realize the chick is off to find answers and the screen goes black. I'm left here saying, what the fuck?

    • I think they just rewrote the script so many times they forgot they had to make it make senseukit2
    • Clearly.monospaced