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- SteveJobs0
section of a large corporate site, so probably some complex front-end, jquery, js, css, html and driven by php.
also support for localized text would be nice, though i'd personally set that up dynamically through php - then again, i'm new to cms, so maybe that's how some do it so they can hand the responsibility to the content editors?
- mikotondria30
Actually, @detritus, frog got forked and is now undergoing dev as Wolf http://wolfmcs.org
Not much has changed yet, but the architecture is a little more refined and as this is what people will be writing plug ins etc, for, it's the one to get.
Simple, great to extend if you can follow the template blank plug ins..
Consists of 'views' into which content can be loaded, snippets - for reused code, like includes, and actual unique pages, which hold the content and can be assigned a 'view'. Native php will run in any category above, heirarchy easy to negotiate, all the manipulative ordering and sorting functions you need, plus of course, whatever php you want. It's simple easy and fast.
- ETM0
Well concrete 5 has a beautiful and simple user interface for the client, but something like CMS Made Simple is dead easy to just paste your html code into the `template engine`, make some minor edits and you`re up.
- acescence0
there's just your data model and access layer, url mapping/rewriting, caching, templating engine, media management, localization, granular admin permissions and session handling, all while keeping considerations for future extensibility in mind. then you'll have to test it to make sure there aren't injection or csrf vulnerabilities or resource issues with your code, and then document the whole thing so you can hand it off to the client. simple if you've got a six-figure budget.
you're better off starting with a framework that has a lot of this stuff built in for free than writing purely from scratch.
- Continuity0
Keep in mind that - as much as I personally adore concrete5 - it may or may not be for you. One of its key feature is the in-line/in-context editing directly on a page, so don't expect the typical CMS back-end with all kinds of input fields.
I admit that I have a lot of trouble imagining implementing concrete5 on a large corporate site, but then I'm also not much into all that coding and web maintenance stuff.
- intVal0
Doing this fom scratch is super easy, it's just a front end and a backend , in the front end interface you paste an editor( there are tons of editor, tiny MCE , CK editor...). For this theres no point in using wp( well only if the site is already in wp and even(because you could also just inject in wp)).
- SteveJobs0
none of these options stand out yet. they all have pros/cons, and i can't seem to find one that's really good at working with dynamically-driven (non-static html) pages. too many lock you in to their environment. unify is not bad, but when you think about how simple their solution is, it's hard to not want to just quickly roll your own with customizations for the company's needs - but again, this isn't my project, i'm just doing a little discovery.
@intVal - i agree completely, I'm going to suggest a custom, in-house solution, but i'm pretty sure it's going to get shot down.
- Continuity0
First time I ever did a WP site, this was my go-to for tutorials:
http://www.wpdesigner.com/2007/0…
That said, it was written in 2007, so I don't know how much of this is obsolete by virtue of WP having gone through several updates.
Nonetheless, it's a good starting point.
- SteveJobs0
this is just one persons perspective, but the more i learn about it (wordpress and other simlar cms software), it seems so backwards. it's catered to the person who doesn't know html, php, asp, jsp, etc, very well, and/or just wants to set up a site quickly and everything is theme-based... ugh. so basically your site development starts and ends in this editor. (could be wrong, but that's just what i've seen based on my evaluation)
- tredesigns0
the best wp tut I've found:
http://blog.themeforest.net/scre…I don't know what your needs are but you might want to try:
surrealcms.com
or
http://unify.unitinteractive.com…I've use surreal and its easy, thinking about unify.
good luck.
- detritus0
If you're comfortable with dicking around with basic PHP, may I suggest you have a gander at http://www.madebyfrog.com/ ?
I've only started tinkering with it today, but already I'm thinking it's the idiot-level CMS Ive been looking for for a while.
Personally, I find WP too convoluted and malformed for the sort of websites I make.
- < it's 'a bit like' Expression Engine... only not. And free.detritus
- 'course - I might be totally and utterly spouting drivel, so wait and see if anyone seconds my input!detritus
- You're not wrong about WP. I fucking hate it.Continuity
- It's just ... dense. Nothing wrong with it or difficult as such, it's just .. weird.detritus
- On of the things that bug me the most is its blog-centric nomenclature, when it's obvious many use it as a CMS.Continuity
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- acescence0
building a particle accelerator is super easy, it's just a big tube and some magnets.
- sorry but people who constantly work with ready made CMS cannot understand the feasibility of this, dont know if you're one of them. cheers, goodnightintVal
- you're one of them tho. cheers,intVal
- i've built them from scratch, so i'm intimately familiar with how NOT simple it is.acescence
- well i have built this from scratch too so please dont take your familiarity as a general case.Wth are you some kind of KIA here?intVal
- KIA here?intVal
- I 've done them from scratch as well. And when you are working on a good UI etc, its a lot work.ETM
- SteveJobs0
Cost isn't really an issue. The most important things is good developer support (whatever that means for CMS - still learning), so can be advanced PHP - don't care.
What I'm lost with right now really is what I can do with these packages, but I'll take a look at those links. Thanks!
- If your mate or you are totally Hell-bent on using WP, Google 'wordpress as a CMS'Continuity
- acescence0
they're designed to be useful to the average user, but most are extensible and have a plugin system that allows more control if you're a developer. i have more experience with wordpress than any other cms, so speaking specifically about that there aren't really any limits with what you're able to do, but there is a learning curve in discovering how it works under the hood. there's a whole hook action and filter system that lets you modify or override everything that it does at every stage of creating and serving data on the front and back ends, many other cms systems work the same way.
- johfiner0
I've been doing a lot of work with Joomla lately and I absolutely love it. It's far more flexible than WordPress.
You'll definitely need to spend an hour or two training the client on the backend but it's really quite simple and gives the user a lot of freedom without letting them fuck up the design.
- SteveJobs0
sorry for bumping, but does anyone have Adobe Contribute experience? i'm playing around with it, and it looks like it could meet their needs for editing static content in a php page.
i'm just trying to figure out how to specify a div, or instance as editable or non-editable.
- SteveJobs0
any of you ever set up WP, expression, or any other CMS to support localized text?
googling this returns too many links on localizing WP itself