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- monospaced0
Fuckin'-a, I can hear you sitting over there promising the client all kinds of shit next week and assigning me the work. At least have the courtesy to loop me into this project before lining work up for me. Fucking shameless loud talking too, hearing my name over and over. Goddamn infuriating you fucking project managers, only talk loud when your'e not talking to your mom/boyfriend/sister/2-yr-old neice or gossiping or going to the fucking gym and your long ass lunches. Acting all important by talking super loud on the phone and then leaving as soon as you know a designer will do all the fucking work while you get your pussy waxed during work hours.
- I only have disdain for this PM because we never work together, ever, and she never even asks me what my time is likemonospaced
- Put some things on your calendar and have her reference your calendarcannonball1978
- oddslob0
Any more tips on what makes a *good* project manager?
- vaxorcist0
There really are some good project managers...... part of their role is nonstop client service... errrrr... analingus really, and part of their role is to make sure things are actually billed....
- monospaced0
@jetSkii
She wasn't asking for a design. She was asking for a logo file, which is available to everyone who works here. Yes, I could have taken 5 minutes to send it to her, but so could she. PLUS, it's HER job.
- but it's your fault anyway...
PMs and evil will prevailmaikel - not my fault in any way, shape or form. It's her job to be familiar with the brand and work with vendors.monospaced
- but yeah, hahahhaa, almost a fruitless battlemonospaced
- but it's your fault anyway...
- jetSkii0
@monospace
i bet your manager turns it against you, and says. "isn't it the designer's job to deliver a design?"her logic would be, you're sick today, but you should have sent it yesterday or.... you weren't that sick... you could have easily taken 5 minutes to pack the files from home and send it to the client.
- they can't turn this against memonospaced
- plus, it wasn't a client, it was a fucking vendor (big difference)monospaced
- women can be manipulative is what i've learnedjetSkii
- maikel0
PMs are over-rated, and usually overpaid. That's why I'm certifying myself as a PM!
Said that, a good PM can make projects a lot more profitable. Profitable not necessarily mean better. It just mean profitable.
- I do remember one place I worked where PM's seemed to complicate things... and raise billing hours(!)vaxorcist
- MSTRPLN0
...or they spend the better part of the day managing the project, and inform you of what new changes need to be done at 4:45pm, for their follow-up with the client tomorrow morning.
- Andrew_D0
"What's your bandwidth like? Moving forward will we be able to meet all deliverables? I really wanna pound this one out" <- Direct fucking quote. There has to be a language class they take in college to spew such fluff.
- mg330
I bet there's a huge difference depending on the industry. Are you talking print stuff / design / advertising, or web sites?
- monospaced0
^ oh, don't get me wrong, mg33...
the reason I'm so upset right now is that I've experienced unmatched project management excellence first hand and, well, I guess I was spoiled...
It's forcing me to get short with my PMs, which forces them to actually figure things out and do their jobs
- mg330
You guys should stop by my office... we'd get our asses kicked if we were that lazy/clueless as PM's. I'm a project manager, our company builds websites for law firms, along with several other marketing technology services like blogs, email marketing, contact management, etc. Some of us have different skills than others, but luckily those of us with an actual background in web design or development can be responsible for a decent amount beyond just client communication. All of our requirements gathering with clients happens at the PM level. In fact, some of the time it's frustrating when I DON'T have access to certain things that I could update on my own (CSS mostly), but it's a pretty tightly run ship and developers do dev work, designers do design work and we don't typically have access to what they do. Dev work is the last thing I'd want my hands in here; our CM system is our own and all sites are ASP.net based. It looks like a hurricane of files and craziness.
- monospaced0
pm: hey, a vendor needs [file] to design a piece, can you get it for me?
me: I'm sick today and don't have my computer. The file is available at [url] to download at [site] along with guidelines for usage.
pm: the vendor doesn't have access to our internal site.
me: use your firm id and password
pm: please download the files and guidelines and send to the vendor
me: wtf?- Should of thought of that before you went and got yourself sick!d_rek
- j/k j/kd_rek
- all she has to do is get the files and pass them on, which is faster than all those emails with memonospaced
- I ignored her; she just didn't want to do her jobmonospaced
- monospaced0
... does not give you the right to take full credit for the project. You set up meetings, you passed on files, you wrote some description copy, and you dealt with the client. I didn't do those tasks myself because I didn't want you to lose your job. You did not do the project, you just managed it.
- monospaced0
Yeah, I'm gonna have to circle back to you on this. We'll touch base tomorrow and see how we can really make this verbiage work.
- PonyBoy0
I should have walked away the moment I saw the word 'guru' used in work description
- Yeah, that's kind of a dead giveaway.Continuity
- guru, is that some kind of indian cuisine?iCanHasQBN
- stoplying0
Gang, no need to get worked up into a lather here. When the rubber hits the road, we'll have our ducks in a row. I can set up a tel con to discuss if need be. Trees from the forest, people.
- /me twitches ... goes berzerkContinuity
- It just comes out so naturally. Sorry.stoplying
- moniker0
Sounds like a great job.
What does it pay?
- TheeOtherJuan0
I just told my team I was gonna stop checking email, closed my IM and stop listen to vm because it just got ridiculous getting the same input from a email, two IM's and a voicemail to check my email. Not to ad that we're all under the same roof! It takes 3x more time to retrieve the input than to actually do it. So now we stick to ONE online tool and a job jacket to redline it. Lets see how it'll last.
- I'm getting to the point where it's easier for me just to absorb the PM's job instead of dealing with them.monospaced
- Continuity0
Sometimes I wonder if the title Projecet Mamager wasn't invented to make Traffic Managers feel better. But, then, I've known a couple of traffic people who could run circles round PMs, and they were utterly trustworthy and reliable, so I won't insult them.