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- Miguex0
Glitch Hop Forums has some really nice tutorials, and lots of the pros there share their custom dj modules for free.
Also look for ill gates tutorials on youtube the guy is a MACHINE
- scarabin0
i'll just leave this here
- its funny, its 1 of 2 pieces of software i actually own.. i just love it that much.autoflavour
- autoflavour0
DOH.. just noticed the age of this thread.. i am assuming you have solved your problem.. if not, maybe you should consider masturbation like you originally suggested.
- still a helpful thread, i'm interested in jumping in as wellscarabin
- autoflavour0
seriously, ableton isnt that hard to learn.. you would be MUCH better off spending $29 for a month subscription to Lynda.com, go thru their tutorials on ableton, which covers the majority of the functions you will need as a beginner, and take it from there.
that said, ableton is crazy intuitive and there are like a bazillion tutorials on youtube for pretty much every aspect to it.
if you want to blow 900 pounds, go BUY the software.
its amazing software, but any "course" that goes for 9 weeks will be 2 weeks at most of teaching and 7 weeks of padding it out to make you feel like you arent getting raped.
also the in software tutorial and example sessions are really well structured, even for n00bs..
dont waste your money.
- Ianbolton0
Shit. There was a 10-week Ableton course here in Leeds for £40, and I had it in my head I was busy. Hope they do it again.
- caterpus0
Learn Pro Tools! You can have fun and maybe make some money :)
- you can make money if you're good with any audio s/w. fuck pro tools.sublocked
- well, it works for mecaterpus
- that's great but i hate the idea that some people have that you "have to know pro tools". it's bullshit.sublocked
- if you want to work doing actual audio design, you need to know protools.. end of storyautoflavour
- films = protoolsautoflavour
- tv = protoolsautoflavour
- recording studios = protoolsautoflavour
- i know people recording music without protools that do just finesublocked
- albums0
I finally picked up my gear...
Akai APC40 (w/ hard case) + Korg padKONTROL + Korg microKORG (w/ soft case) + Odyssey Laptop Stand to raise the notebook above the APC40 + an M-Audio Firewire Solo to set on it's sound card shelf.
Checking out a Samson mic w/ stand & pop guard later today/tomorrow and will avoid monitors at this time with either a pair of Sony MDV6 or a pair of AKG K171 MKII or K240. Any input?
- albums0
Reading more about the Launchapd I came across this
it's a pretty cool little trackit uses an emulater called nonome from http://post.monome.org/comments.…
and sampling software called mlrv from http://parallelogram.cc/mlrv/
- ApeRobot0
Combining the APC with another controller with pads or keys, like an MPD or an MPK.
I'm just saying that the MPK pads,keys,knobs are cheap. (personal feeling)Like for exemple, i'm using.
-M-audio Keyboard (the cheapest)
Laptop with ableton
-APC 40 (i use it mainly for the live. Otherwise, i use it for arrangement and effects tweaking. It is just an extra, production wise)
-MPC2000xl (put samples in it to play them, or use the pads midi synced with ableton)Basicly you dont need much, like, a computer and a cheap keyboard will make it.
- cool, thanks for your input, looking more and more at the Novation 25 SL MKII nowalbums
- albums0
ApeRobot,
Please clarify... "Combined with MPD or such,MPK25 as cheap feel regarding pads and keys weight." Are you saying the launchpad will have a cheap feel compared to the MPK25 or that the MPK25 has a chap feel? What is the MPD you mention?
I've read the Novation 25 SL MKII is more robust than the Akai MPK25 and also smaller but does not bode well for keeping costs down. I'm becoming keen on the idea of the APC40 and Novation 25 but I'm adding $200+ to a budget everyone says I should keep small. Now I'm thinking of getting the Novation 25 or MPK25 first then opting for the APC40 at a later date like next month or something. Between those two, no real need for the Behringer knobs I guess.
- albums0
reading http://puredata.info/ now, cool stuff. I had heard of Max for Live, but as I had written earlier, we're currently working with a borrowed laptop and copy of Ableton 7 though making stuff like this would be fun...
this comment from them pretty much sums up what's happening... "normally these device send cc as any midi device, its just fader and knob. You can set the number of control points distributed along the fader between 2 and 16. Every time the fader's cursor passes over one of these control points, a corresponding note is triggered."
i like that notion of controlling tracks/samples with the knob fader as opposed to an individual button.
I also love this use of the Launchpad controller
obviously custom mapped
- ApeRobot0
Albums: Much more control with APC 40 compared to launchpad,
Combined with MPD or such,MPK25 as cheap feel regarding pads and keys weight.
As orpkoobcam2: keep it simple an lowcost
- orrinward0
If you want to start doing music stuff, give puredata a try, or the pay-equivalent, Max MSP.
Puredata pretty much lets you make your own custom music applications and perform with them.
- albums0
I continued this conversation over at the Ableton forums as well. The advice there was to avoid M-Audio for build quality and step up each of the selected pieces to more production minded equipment. In place of the Novation Launchpad it was suggested I use the Akai APC40 for its knobs & sliders in addition to the pads offered by the Launchpad and the Novation 25 SL MKII over the Akai MPK25 as its mapping features are more robust/intuitive. The cost of the APC40 and the Novation 25 exceed that of the 3 other smaller pieces so I'm still undecided. Any input from hardware users is appreciated as I've heard great sound being controlled by just the Launchpad and a Korg nanoKontrol . Thanks
Also, I found some of this gear used from Guitar Center. Anyone ever buy used music gear? I've bought used computer equipment before but never music. Shy away from or what? Experiences?
- yeah, M-Audio is usually not very good in terms of built quality (compared to other brands)Miguex
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Thank you for the input, especially you orpkoobcam2, However, given the computer for this project is the donated PC, we'll keep heading down this multiple controller direction. I do appreciate the sentiments, though the ideas of song structure are about my only strengths in this endeavor and I understand the Ableton interface more than anyone else I'm involved in this with.
As far as the style of music being made, there is no telling. Whenever everyone is together, we're mixing a live drum and bass drummer with a hip hop lyricist and a thrash metal guitarist who both like dubstep. All 3 talented in their own right. I'm being brought into this as the "computer guy" to corral and somehow record/blend this all together.
The reason for the multiple controllers is for hope of growth of knowledge and that there are 2 others that will likely use the setup often, possibly a third more experienced than all. Each of the controllers selected may play to a particular artists strengths as there is also a digital drum kit that can be used as a controller though its age shows in its latency, a full live drum set and the other individual is a guitarist, being able to record and include their live sessions all in one DAW is important to me for convenience.
So far the only MIDI input really occurring is recording the digital drums in song mode and playing them into Ableton to record the pattern. As a live play device the drummers Roland digital drums do not work, but my intent is that it can be used for beat creation to be triggered later by the Launchpad in Ableton's song mode.
Given the investment the others already have into this I assumed the breadth of use from the 3 selected controllers could be quite vast compared to their minimal investment.
I have used Acid and find it limiting in the midi department and am striving to get away from using the mouse/keyboard interface and use something more intuitive hence the desire to use these controllers that are native to Ableton. I too was drawn to the MPK25 Dodecahedron, it seemed to have the most going for it as a standalone unit. I preferred this device to the others for its price point and capabilities. Its main uses I intend for it are pattern making & recording into Ableton via its MPC pads and 25 key piano.
The Behringer is the only superfluous choice as I only thought it convenient to map out 32 knobs in Ableton and put them on the table for anyone to twist. The kind of options/freedom you gain for $150ish seems well worth it in regards to production convenience.
- popfodders0
You can Time Stretch with most any tool, BTW. Acid music and Reason do it as well.
- orpkoobcam20
I can't even begin to imagine the music you're trying to make with all that setup and waffle you're talking about. If you're new to making music digitally may I suggest you keep it simple and low cost:
Try Renoise first - it's free:
Use a simple but good free analogue synth to learn the basics.
This actually quite a decent synth:
http://kunz.corrupt.ch/products/…And you can find decent free drumkit sample packs to use, for example this one is super awesome:
http://www.orangetreesamples.com… Kit.rarRenoise has native FX's filters that are decent, and I suggest you use a Mac so you can make use of the free native Apple AU FX's that are brilliant.
Create a few patterns, beats, loops and put together a basic track. Then use the FX, EQ and mixer to learn how to mix a well balanced track. Some decent tutorials here:
http://audio.tutsplus.com/Once you are confident, and feel you have talent - and feel the limitations of Renoise, invest in Ableton.
You can use renoise as an instrument within ableton if you get attached to it.
you can use the MPK25 with renoise as well as Ableton and it's a pretty nice little midi input board with a decent low price. it just plugs straight into a usb port so no need for all that space station geek pc stuff you're talking about. Not sure what you are talking about regarding mini PCI-e etc.... You can get a fancy keyboard later if you have talent.
This guy is super awesome, is about 20 years old and is only using fruityloops, a mouse and a crappy old PC:
http://soundcloud.com/robotakihe's done some decent remixes that have been published. All done on a crappy setup up.
http://soundcloud.com/robotaki/y…– you don't need all the gear etc to make decent music - you need talent. So start low cost first. Maybe take a few music lessons.