BP oil spill
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- BusterBoy0
Just leaving this stream running on my desktop...makes me ill just watching. When you think this shit has been spewing out for over weeks.
How can oil companies operate without contingincies for this type of shit happening? Why can't they just drop hundreds of tons of rock on this and then just concrete it up?
- ukit0
Maybe before jumping to conclusions you should look and see what the situation actually was? Sure, the government should have had better regulations in place but the reason they don't is because of the oil companies. The government isn't going to dream up lax regulations just for the fun of it, it happens because their oil company buddies lobby for them.
Perfect example:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB…
As BP PLC defended its handling of the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, documents show it argued against new, stricter safety rules proposed last year by the U.S. agency that oversees offshore drilling.
The British oil giant was one of several companies that wrote to the U.S. Minerals Management Service this past September saying additional regulation of the oil industry was unnecessary. In a letter, BP said the current voluntary system of safety procedures was adequate.
In a letter published on the U.S. government Web site Regulations.gov, Richard Morrison, BP's vice president for Gulf of Mexico production, wrote that while BP "is supportive of companies having a system in place to reduce risk, accidents, injuries and spills, we are not supportive of the extensive, prescriptive regulations as proposed in this rule."
He added: "We believe the industry's current safety and environmental statistics demonstrate that the voluntary programs..have been and continue to be very successful."
Mr. Morrison noted that BP had already adopted policies that complied with the MMS's proposed new rules. But he challenged the need for companies to file regular audits of their safety programs with the agency, saying that would be "an administrative burden."
- I don't care about tax reform. United States had to "OK" drilling that deep on their shores.Iggyboo
- They did, and as politicians they should have had both sides of the story in their ears to make decisions.Iggyboo
- Therefore who's culpable for the mess everyone who was responsible for it being there from the CEO's down.Iggyboo
- What do you mean, tax reform? The point is that behind every lax regulation is an oil company lobbyist.ukit
- I mean, think about it, there's no incentive for the gov not to put adequate safety in place.ukit
- invisiblechamber0
the blade is back and chopping big time.
http://live.cnn.com
- lowimpakt0
personally I don't think blaming the public, Obama (bizarre) or whoever is particularly helpful.
BP were reckless in the past with other spills. This has been highlighted in previous investigations. http://www.guardian.co.uk/busine…
BP and other oil comaines haven't invested in proper processes and equipment (as shown by that previous video) to deal with their own recklessness because they are focussed on profit.
Oil comanies like BP, Texaco and Shell have been continuously destroying lives and the environment across the world for decades. This current spill is no different.
Remember Ken Saro-Wiwa ?
- benfal990
I think we should all invade England and destroy everything on the land.
- the simpsons did itCALLES
- yeah! stupid english companies.flashbender
- benfal990
2012 rehearsal.
- dMullins0
I'm kinda with you Cygnus, in a way. The only real exposure I have to how this is "developing" is this thread. It's not that I don't care, but I know there's absolutely nothing I can do short of quitting my job and trying to help with the clean up work somehow (although from the sparse tidbits I've read, apparently BP is trying to stop outsiders from helping with that?).
I've mostly just avoided BP gas stations, which used to be the only stations I used as they are closest to where I live.
- Yeah Im not going to get all burned up over this thing. ITs a shitty situation that I cant change in any way.CygnusZero4
- joeth0
In Perspective: Visualizing the BP Oil Disaster
http://www.beowulfe.com/oil/For a sense of scale, move the spill over your hometown.
- holy hellelektro
- thats a good tool... shocked me.
Fucking cunts.
No other words at this point.mikotondria3
- PonyBoy0
"But you just be content in yourself that "Well, I guess we can't even try, and anyone who does is a fucking hypocrite because they drive to work.""
If all you're gonna do is point fingers at folks in charge (feds) or the businessman behind the company... ... but make no changes on your end that would actually effect the situation - then yes... you are a hypocrite.
As for the 'trendy' comment - it IS trendy and 'hip' even to be on the bitching side... ...if you deny that you're intellectually dishonest and lack understanding of the makeup of yourself and your fellow man.
The 'problem' resides w/ALL of us... ... either get a set of balls and LIVE like you demand others live... ... or get off your fucking high horse... else - you.are.a.hypocrite.
You RELY on BP and the like to make your lives better - then when they have a major fuck up like this... ... you hate hate and hate 'the man'... blah blah blahhhhh... ... a fucking lame-ass boring presentation of hypocrisy. If you can't accept that YOU are as much the problem as BP and the like... ... then you're living in la la land.
- Why do you always defend the big guy in the situation? The one who needs no help from you?DrBombay
- I'm not defending anyone - I'm pointing out that we're as much to blame AS the big guy.PonyBoy
- I don't remember signing off on deep sea drilling without having a failsafe backup.DrBombay
- deepsea drilling occurs because we've locked ourselves out exploring pretty much everywhere elsePonyBoy
- i don't remember saying I was 'cool' with it either, dude... ... I'm on your side on this point... but - hands were kinda tied... yes?PonyBoy
- Were they? Stop consuming 20 gallons a week to own a car.DrBombay
- Sorry but when people say they 'need' a car it is bullshit.DrBombay
- And I am not even talking about you.DrBombay
- You work from home, you don't even need a car.DrBombay
- have you ever been to phoenix? do you understand how spread out it is? If I have meetings etc - the bus is not an option - it just isn't.PonyBoy
- isn't practical - I wouldn't be able to get my work done... ... or be anywhere I'm requested to be on-time.PonyBoy
- aka - I need to... and WILL consume fuel.. .. as do plenty of the folks here.PonyBoy
- not all of us live right down the street from where we 'work', rick... ... you have to be reasonable.PonyBoy
- And I happen to be on an in-house contract (still 1099'ed... not an emp.) and I have a 20 min. drive daily (both ways)PonyBoy
- Then Phoenix is an unsustainable city.DrBombay
- You're right. :)PonyBoy
- Not even going to mention AC being needed 350 days a year.DrBombay
- For SURE, dobs...
... cept it's about half that... ... don't be dramatic.PonyBoy - and the majority of us turn the A/C down or off when not home... and regulate the hell out of it when we are home -PonyBoy
- - simply because of the cost.PonyBoy
- Get a room you two.sigg
- I'd even pay for the room... ... but dobs hates me so it would be pointlessPonyBoy
- Most cities are unsustainable citiesmegE
- If you're talking about transportation, it's actually easier to get around by walking in a city.juhls
- whatsup0
I think a decision to focus on better and cleaner energy methods is doing something. Plus looking at all the waste materials used in food and consumer packaging.
- mg330
Holy WTF...
In that article i posted, it's speculated that this oil reservoir has 2 billion barrels of oil, and if it collapses and the worst case scenario happens, it's going to likely leak 150,000 barrels a day.
Correct my math if I'm wrong, but:
2,000,000,000 / 150,000 = 13,333 days / 365 = 36.5 fucking years of that thing leaking until it's done.- the math is solid - but i think they'd come up with a way to stop/harvest it by thenidentity
- read that article I linked a few posts above.mg33
- this thing is out of control for about 39 years:
http://www.greenopti…invisiblechamber - wowspraycan
- WrappedInBooks0
How is this not more upfront in the news?
Judge in oil spill case sells energy stocks
- TheBlueOne0
Jesus...if you don't want to be depressed, don't read this comment over at the Oil Drum:
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6…
Yes, it's long. It has big scientific words in it. And it seems plausible and really, really fucking bad if correct. Fuck.
- ...and the comments are just as bad...one of the ROVs is monitoring oil seeping through the floor?!WrappedInBooks
- georgesIII0
- Others, I knew it.ukit
- It's always "the others."ETM
- ahahahgeorgesIII
- "Others" Is the EU.xcarlx
- "others" are othersdrgsss
- bliznutty0
@PonyBoy
i realize we all use oil-based fuels and choose so by free will and free markets and thus are all guilty by choice. however when you really break it down and do your history, you will find that the markets around the oil industry aren't 'free' and that we really aren't given much of a choice. here let me explain, Standard Oil - the once oil monopoly run by John D. Rockefeller - who even proclaimed 'Competition is Sin' - was the wealthiest corporation of its time and used dirty business tactics and political influence in order to eliminate competition and create a monopoly dependence around its product. Its funny that the ethanol vehicles are making a comeback today - because some of the first cars ever made ran on ethanol/alcohol and were forced out by business influenced government (corporatism).. In fact cars were even made to run on HEMP around 70 years ago!.. However you'll see during the great boom of the automobile industry (and plastics), all of the dirty insider tactics used to eliminate competition.. its simply the case that if markets were free - an equilibrium would have established due to free market competition around alternative fuels, thus monopolies wouldn't be as powerful as they are - but its too late it already happened..
- IRNlun60
I wonder what the so called mud used for the top kill procedure is, and how toxic is it if at all? Judging by the label of 'mud' without going into specifics, my guess is that it pretty toxic.
- benfal990
well, maybe it will end trying my method:
- benfal990
2012. It's on.