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- winnie_the_shit
So, here we are.. CS5 will be available any moment...
I've asked that we get the CS5 update, and that having the latest versions of software is important to staying current and professional.
When suddenly.. my boss chimes in..
"You're going to have to prove it to me that this is going to make your more efficient or else.. why bother."
I don't really see the tools as being a matter of efficiency, but a matter of staying current, and being passionate about our work.
Anyone have anything I can jab back at him with?
I'm still working on CS3.
- d_rek0
Tell him you could get a hell of a good look at a T-Bone steak by sticking my head up a bull's ass, but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it.
- bored2death0
I'm going to side with your boss.
Are you a designer or just a software operator?
- whats wrong with cs3 ffs? and how is cs5 going to make you more passionate?hans_glib
- winnie_the_shit0
Wow, these are some jaded opinions.
How come you guys upgraded to CS3?
Whats wrong with photoshop 4?
- bulletfactory0
I would hold off until CS5 is more wide-spread to minimize file compatibility issues.
- <Centigrade
- and how will it become "more wide-spread" if nobody buys it?iCanHasQBN
- Centigrade0
The fact of the matter is that CS5 will probably make you less efficient (ironically) as you have to resave all your files back back to CS4/3 anyway unless they upgrade the whole studio. All the additional features will probably not transfer correctly to the older software.
The printer that receives your job will normally be a version or two behind you.
It's a bummer but hey thats the reality of it.
- +1 for "The printer..." We recently had an issue of a designer using a "Multiply" effect...ideaist
- She had an image on top of a colour box and used the effect that didn't translate to press...ideaist
- Needless to say, a shit storm followed because the image turned out to be a solid bar of colour...ideaist
- More features = less fundamentals...ideaist
- vitamins0
CS5 is coming out already?
- vitamins0
What else can they add to photoshop? It's been suped up to death now. How much more ram do I need for Hawkings sake??
- spendogg0
Ask him why you have CS3 and not CS1 or eariler
- ideaist0
“Growth for the sake of growth in my opinion is not progress.” - David Reid
- More features = less fundamentals...ideaist
- Patronizing bullshit.winnie_the_shit
- Or time-tested truth...ideaist
- I'm simply stating that fundamentals are what is important here...ideaist
- Yes, only this isn't about skills it's about tools. I appreciate what you're trying to say tho.winnie_the_shit
- What are tools without skills? It's a frustrating argument as so many try to stay "current"...ideaist
- ...In a world that changes every second and this change is documented by everyone in a digital realm...ideaist
- Can you tell me how I can use what you're saying to get my boss to buy me new tools?winnie_the_shit
- haha; just ranting really... I think it's an easy business decision; buy only when a want becomes a need...ideaist
- flashbender0
Companies are all about money, right?
You need to provide an argument about how it will be better for the company's bottom line to upgrade... then they will listen
"Me want shiny new toy!" does not make the company any more money.
- duckofrubber0
Why haven't you upgraded to CS4?
However, I would stick with CS3...
- ukit0
Two words: Content-aware Phil
- winnie_the_shit0
Fair enough.
How about if we downgraded to Photoshop 4, Windows 2000, and instead of Illustrator.. we used oil paints, and we coded all of our HTML with tables and gifs, and FONT tags.
- and listened to Cypress Hill! See, bonus already.winnie_the_shit
- cashface0
Playing the devils advocate:
Upgrading is expensive and your boss needs to see a Return On Investment. If it doesn't make anymore money, then why bother.What you want to hear:
Great idea, let's upgrade and fuck istock images, we're using all getty and pizza party!!
- mrghost0
why do these tools have jobs?
- Ranger0
What parts of CS3 are we talking about? CS4 wasn't worth bothering with for most apps. And from a bosses point - 3 CS releases in 4 years, money, money, money. Still, if he is charging right and making his ROI then why not keep up to date.
- winnie_the_shit0
So, if upgrading were free.. There would be no problems?
So really.. what you guys are saying here.. is that Upgrading is good.. but spending money is bad.. The value is the problem.. not the actual functionality, creative enhancements, features, etc.
Is Adobe primed for a usurper?
Just like QuarkXPRESS, sat on it's hands for years and did nothing to upgrade themselves.. then POW.. Adobe Indesign.
- Value today (to the majority of people) is only seen as a $ amount...ideaist
- ...and... therefore...winnie_the_shit
- haha; therefor your boss will see no value in investing in something cutting edge...ideaist
- unless it is in fact (or if can convince him) a necessity... Want becomes need...ideaist
- winnie_the_shit0
WO WOW WOAH
OR.. is upgrading seen as some kind of anti-skill? Where you become more "elite" skill wise if you use some ancient technology. You become some kind of masochistic flagship of some bygone software era.
There was a recent issue of Computer Music, and they were interviewing Jon Hopkins.. and he was saying that he still makes all his music in an old version of Sound Forge, and he was saying how it gets the job done.. so why change it.
Is that just a case of the software becoming the process? Or is it just the utility borne from being a broke-ass musician. I feel that one, I used a copy of Jeskola Buzz beta for almost 10 years to write music with. I recently upgraded all my music writing software.. and it really shows in the end product.
So maybe I am just on an "upgrade kick" and overvaluing it?
- Society drives people to be "current" rather than "passe"...ideaist
- People on the forefront are seen as "Avant-garde" or ahead of what is current...ideaist
- You are simply wanting to be current... & their is nothing wrong with that!!! ; )ideaist
- a bad carpenter blames his toolsplash
- a good carpenter sleeps next to his tools...ideaist
- I'm not blaming my tools. I just want fancy new ones.winnie_the_shit
- Centigrade0
People are simply saying that upgrading software will not automatically make you a better designer. Simple as that. I bet you could give a great designer a pen and a pencil and they'll do a better job designing a logo than most people will will the latest software.