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- defstro0
As many homeless people as there are in my hood (SE. Morrison / Belmont) I don't think income is a key component in "livable" here ;)
Considering most if not all the local custom bike builders are backed up for over a year (Vanilla, Hufnagel, etc.) I think you might be on to something. Maybe it's time for me to learn a new skill....
- hog0
yeah not that livable, after a year of being here we have decided its good if your twenty and don't mind riding your bike around in the rain 9 months out of the year. Otherwise its boring as hell.
- seed0
The St Louis area has one job under Web Design or UI Design on Monster.com. Most on the list are backend development related.
- Don't feel bad.. Los Angeles was like that a month or so ago.adev
- Point50
Best jobs out there right now are the ones that you create for yourself.
- Scotch_Roman0
Yup, I'm scraping and scratching to pull a legit design business together. Got one client, meeting with a prospect tomorrow. Hope I land the project... it would be a really nice one.
- dibec0
I am doing fine. Frankly, I may need to expand into a two person team soon.
- richardkark0
I've been considering learning backend as a backup. That sounds like a joke.
- Do it. Do rails, or straigt OO php, AS3 then C# and Java... Get a real job programming hard stuff for the CIA :) Yeh !mikotondria3
- back that thing up.Point5
- The designer/programmer are what a lot of small and mid-size companies want now.ETM
- Scotch_Roman0
Do you guys think it will eventually be necessary for a working designer to know how to code as well as design? I have only ever heard of a very few strong designers who can also code well. It's like being a successful architect, you've gotta be both creative (right brain) and mathematically/scientifically astute (left brain).
Frankly, there's nothing in me that wants to write code. Would bore me to tears, and I would probably suck at it. I'd much rather design a site and hire someone else to develop it. Actually I'd rather spend all my time designing logos and books, but websites ain't so bad.
- It seems being a good typographer and a good programmer are skills that are almost always mutually exclusive.Scotch_Roman
- exclusive.Scotch_Roman
- I say almost always because there are people out there like skt who can do both. But even he would prolly say he's better at Flash/dev work.Scotch_Roman
- at Flash/dev work.Scotch_Roman
- If you genuinely have an interest in coding, don't bother. You have to want to learn, otherwise you'll have an awful time learning it and probably won't be very good at it.bort
- If you don't I meant.bort
- I don't feel design and development skills are mutually exclusive.blaw
- I'm not saying they necessarily are, but it's rare for people to excel at both.Scotch_Roman
- If you don't like it, hire someone. Actually hire someone anyway:)ukit
- dibec0
Learn everything ... you only live once.
- Point50
this is my 3rd go around at life and I keep fucking it up!
- harlequino0
@ Scotch_Roman
I think any programming skills a designer can get under their belt is always a plus.However, I think it may start to go more in the direction of having essential partnerships, similar to the agency model of art director/copywriter partnerships. But in this case, it's loads of partnerships of designer/programmer.
So in effect, you see more people searching for proven partnerships, rather than that one freelancer.
- gung_hoek0
@gramme. No, IMO you can´t expect people to reach ace-level in both fields. People that excel in both fields are the absolute exception from the rule. From my experience developers that know their stuff don´t have a feeling for aesthetics, visual structure, etc. at all. They suck at it. Normal human beings simply don´t have the time to get into both disciplines, it takes years of concentrated work in every of these respected fields to gain the necessary experience, so if you want to compete on a decent level you better choose one field.
- ETM0
I think a designer who can put together small apps, as well as better understand the coding side to interact with the architects is the way to go. But to expect a good designer to be skilled enough to be a true application architect is stretching it. Its takes a special mind to excel at both those polar opposite brain functions.
- Scotch_Roman0
Right, that's how I've always felt. Granted, to excel in any field some talent is required, but years of honing a craft is what really allows one to become an expert. I look at the work I did six years ago in college, and it can't hold a candle to what I produce these days.
I agree with harlequino. I think I understand enough about various coding languages to be able to design a site accordingly and collaborate well with developers. In fact, I really enjoy working with good developers, just like I enjoy working with good printers. When there's mutual respect and a mutual desire for excellence, great things happen. My recently completed portfolio site, a collaboration with skt, is a case in point.
*Breathes easier
- dibec0
it's a very niche market. I applied for Da Kine and was up against a art director with ten years of xp. That is what sucks. It was for a general GD position.
- uberdesigner0
handjobs?
- mikotondria30
I think you'll handicap yourself if you entertain the notion that you can't do programming and also be creative and also design and also fix your own hardware. It's all a continous study, from the theories of transistor design through to grafting your own typeface and expressing yourself in poetry, motion graphics or painting on a wall - I honestly believe anyone can become accomplished at any of these disciplines to a level whereby they would be able to make a decent living from it and be seen as proficient by their peers. Exceptionally talented people, of which there are very very few in any field - maybe 1 in 1000, are rarely also talented at another thing, but most people, if you're really honest, could program a computer for a living, or design/code webpages, or design print work, with some training and willingness to learn the craft.