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Portland Oregon has 0 jobs 2929 Responses
Last post: 4 years, 2 months ago | Thread started: Mar 23, 09, 10:26 a.m.
- seed
The St Louis area has one job under Web Design or UI Design on Monster.com. Most on the list are backend development related.
- Dog-earMar 23, 09, 10:57 a.m. – Permalink
- Scotch_Roman
Yup, I'm scraping and scratching to pull a legit design business together. Got one client, meeting with a prospect tomorrow. Hope I land the project... it would be a really nice one.
- Dog-earMar 23, 09, 11:01 a.m. – Permalink
- richardkark
I've been considering learning backend as a backup. That sounds like a joke.
- Dog-earMar 23, 09, 11:08 a.m. – Permalink
- Scotch_Roman
Do you guys think it will eventually be necessary for a working designer to know how to code as well as design? I have only ever heard of a very few strong designers who can also code well. It's like being a successful architect, you've gotta be both creative (right brain) and mathematically/scientifically astute (left brain).
Frankly, there's nothing in me that wants to write code. Would bore me to tears, and I would probably suck at it. I'd much rather design a site and hire someone else to develop it. Actually I'd rather spend all my time designing logos and books, but websites ain't so bad.
- Dog-earMar 23, 09, 11:13 a.m. – Permalink
- harlequino
@ Scotch_Roman
I think any programming skills a designer can get under their belt is always a plus.However, I think it may start to go more in the direction of having essential partnerships, similar to the agency model of art director/copywriter partnerships. But in this case, it's loads of partnerships of designer/programmer.
So in effect, you see more people searching for proven partnerships, rather than that one freelancer.
- Dog-earMar 23, 09, 11:22 a.m. – Permalink
- gung_hoek
@gramme. No, IMO you can´t expect people to reach ace-level in both fields. People that excel in both fields are the absolute exception from the rule. From my experience developers that know their stuff don´t have a feeling for aesthetics, visual structure, etc. at all. They suck at it. Normal human beings simply don´t have the time to get into both disciplines, it takes years of concentrated work in every of these respected fields to gain the necessary experience, so if you want to compete on a decent level you better choose one field.
- Dog-earMar 23, 09, 11:23 a.m. – Permalink
- ETM
I think a designer who can put together small apps, as well as better understand the coding side to interact with the architects is the way to go. But to expect a good designer to be skilled enough to be a true application architect is stretching it. Its takes a special mind to excel at both those polar opposite brain functions.
- Dog-earMar 23, 09, 11:24 a.m. – Permalink
- Scotch_Roman
Right, that's how I've always felt. Granted, to excel in any field some talent is required, but years of honing a craft is what really allows one to become an expert. I look at the work I did six years ago in college, and it can't hold a candle to what I produce these days.
I agree with harlequino. I think I understand enough about various coding languages to be able to design a site accordingly and collaborate well with developers. In fact, I really enjoy working with good developers, just like I enjoy working with good printers. When there's mutual respect and a mutual desire for excellence, great things happen. My recently completed portfolio site, a collaboration with skt, is a case in point.
*Breathes easier
- Dog-earMar 23, 09, 11:35 a.m. – Permalink
- uberdesigner
handjobs?
- Dog-earMar 23, 09, 11:41 a.m. – Permalink
- mikotondria3
I think you'll handicap yourself if you entertain the notion that you can't do programming and also be creative and also design and also fix your own hardware. It's all a continous study, from the theories of transistor design through to grafting your own typeface and expressing yourself in poetry, motion graphics or painting on a wall - I honestly believe anyone can become accomplished at any of these disciplines to a level whereby they would be able to make a decent living from it and be seen as proficient by their peers. Exceptionally talented people, of which there are very very few in any field - maybe 1 in 1000, are rarely also talented at another thing, but most people, if you're really honest, could program a computer for a living, or design/code webpages, or design print work, with some training and willingness to learn the craft.
- Dog-earMar 23, 09, 11:53 a.m. – Permalink
- Scotch_Roman
I hear you miko, but one must first have the interest... Who knows, at some point writing code might strike my fancy, but if so I'd see it more as an artistic tool, like Josh Davis (though my work would look nothing like his). At this point though, I have enough other interests to occupy my time (design, typography, poetry, and even type design—have got an idea for a typeface that I really want to develop at some point).
If I tacked anything else on right now (especially given the sheer amount of time I'm spending looking for clients), my wife would start to forget what I look like.
- Dog-earMar 23, 09, 11:59 a.m. – Permalink
- designbot
I remember quite some time before the recession my wife and I were wanting to move out to Portland....even back then there were absolutely no design jobs....everything I saw was either for developers or other technical jobs.
It's funny I always hear about Portland being a highly creative city, when there there seems to be no creative jobs there.
- Dog-earMar 23, 09, noon – Permalink
- drgss
I predict in a few years designer jobs will inflate by 75%
together with the whole US service industry, which constitutes 70% of American economics...
industry of hair dressers, nail polish designers, life coaches, depression counselors, massage therapists, make up artists, photographers and photo models, people who make your food, people who serve your food, people who clean your ears, brokers, hedgers, traders dealing with option contracts as a form of insurance against loosing money on stocks, traders dealing with derivatives against loosing money on options, computers selling and buying bonds, stocks, options and derivatives automatically, people who write computer worms and spyware, people who write spyware removing software, people who push papers around, spas, strip bars and topless cafes, automatic cat litter boxes, shoe cutting knives, bacon-cooking grease-draining devices, foot detox pads, shamwow towels, its ripoffs etc
pretty much where the whole of american GDP is at, sponsored with international debt money.Because as we all know USA no longer produces anything of its own, and by all parameters is a developing country which imports manufactured goods and exports oil and minerals, operating in a chronic trade deficit, which it no longer can maintain, and which necessary will collapse.
In 2-3 years 75% of everyone in this thread will be shoveling coal or carrying stones in the sun, mark my words
- Dog-earMar 23, 09, 12:05 p.m. – Permalink
