Jesus everywhere
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- fooler20
I thought Elvis was everywhere
- designbot0
my point is, when pressed, the scientific community cannot come up with anything that supports this notion of spontaneous life that arose from nothingness.
They resort to aliens and other explanations. Anything to avoid a creator.
- It's trueSalarrue
- can't people just "not know"?DrBombay
- @ Dr well I believe God wants everyone to know him. I think he gave us enough evidence that we all can know...of course some faith is still involved.designbot
- faith is still involved.designbot
- religion is early government.DrBombay
- faith is absolutely everything there, its not 'involved'. my word.kelpie
- Salarrue0
Christianity is getting back all the damage they did in imposing laws and religion to the people, but that doesn't means that there is no value in christian faith...
- 7point340
so, what!?
we you all hate cocoa now too?
- fucking zealots7point34
- I love cocoa! The spicy kind. Ay caliente!!Scotch_Roman
- designbot0
^That is based on faith though, not science.
Richard Dawkins, the icon athiest could not even use scientific evidence to support this view...he had to resort to an "intelligent species" aka aliens "seeding" us here on earth.
- monospaced0
Of course I'd rather believe that all of existence was born from natural occurrences and not an intelligent being. Mostly because one is more likely than the other.
- HA!Scotch_Roman
- Clearly. Big Bang? Ex nihilo? Nothing to act upon it? The almighty hydrogen atom?Scotch_Roman
- Where's my lab coat and microscope, I've got to get to church ASAP.Scotch_Roman
- All those things can and will be explained by laws of physics and mathmonospaced
- magnificent_ruin0
where the fuck is teleos?
- morilla0
Aliens help build the Pyramids.
- They're still in progress?Scotch_Roman
- any and all pyramids. try it now, they'll be along shortlykelpie
- Why do you think Toblerone tastes so damn good?Nairn
- It's all so clear nowScotch_Roman
- designbot0
"The universe is an awe-inspiring place, controlled by laws of physics that are greater than us and which we will be discovering for the rest of our existence, knowledge that will only support the existence of the order instead of refute it"
Yet in the end, seeing the universe and the great deal of order and complexity that exists everywhere (as you said yourself), you would rather believe that all of this spontaneously just formed out of nothing?
- This is pure faith friend...not just reason.designbot
- No, it's not faith.
Math isn't part of my imagination.monospaced - total agreement with designbot. Well said.PlanktonBro
- 7point340
why get so angry about it though?
you're both fired up. religion (or philosophy, theology, et al) is personal. just fucking disagree and move on with your life. monospace's beliefs couldn't possible affect your faith, scotch. and, on the other hand, monospace, if it makes him happy, who really gives a fuck what scotch believes?
- now let's all get some cocoa and hug it out7point34
- I give a fuck because he's implying that we are all bad people until we accept Christ.monospaced
- I've accepted Christ and am still bad, but his righteousness has been credited to my account.Scotch_Roman
- —in spite of my badness.Scotch_Roman
- I never said the truth was pretty...Christ himself claimed that it would either wound or protect those that hear.Scotch_Roman
- monospaced0
Once again, this requires the belief in something like temptation and the assumption that giving in is bad. Every single other creature on the face of this f'ing planet does what it wants to, and must, do. We are the only ones who seem to question it. I think that's a terrible way to live your life, questioning whether something is good or bad.
I believe in something greater than myself: order. Nature is beautiful in its order and balance and magnitude. The universe is an awe-inspiring place, controlled by laws of physics that are greater than us and which we will be discovering for the rest of our existence, knowledge that will only support the existence of the order instead of refute it. This dogma does not exclude anyone or require belief in the intangible or unreasonable. It makes me happy to know that all things are part of the same, with no exceptions, no guilt. It requires no faith, just reason, to believe what I do.
- None of this is mutually exclusive with faith in the metaphysical.Scotch_Roman
- I know. But my version is more rational and more inclusive. It's also simpler and nicer.monospaced
- According to your infallible wisdom, clearly.Scotch_Roman
- We all know it's utterly inconceivable for a person to be wrong, if they declare something emphatically.Scotch_Roman
- Yours is based on a fictional character's wisdom. Psshhh.monospaced
- //Scotch_Roman
- Mm, right. Fictional according to your assessment. 'Round we go, my friend...'round we go.Scotch_Roman
- Scotch_Roman0
I've said all I can and care to say on this topic today. If anyone is ACTUALLY interested in further dialog, email me. Those that think I'm a nut job are entitled to their opinions, but I will say the vehemence is rather immature and uncalled for since I've not repaid any of you in kind.
- you advocate a system and beside being put upon is a christian kind of tacticnilsnihil
- Scotch_Roman0
Being fully man and fully God meant that Christ was subject to temptation like the rest of us, but being God as well he did not give in to temptation. It would not have been wrong per se for Christ to fall in love and marry someone, but that wasn't his calling.
- Nairn0
- your new god.DrBombay
- the amazing thing is that is a photo of a blank white wall, and this showed up when it was developed7point34
- hahahahzh!PlanktonBro
- nilsnihil0
The sexuality of Christ and modern oblivion, Leo Steinberg
worth reading because if he was a man he had sexuality, pleasure in the world, if he was a god , why did he have a penis? If he was a mangod , what the devil?- I think the penis also is to piss right? so what is the big theory there...Salarrue
- of course, that settles it!nilsnihil
- so bodily functions and mortality (a need to eat means mortality) are ok, but sex isnae?kelpie
- mortification seems godly and btw destroy all images of man. Fucking fruitcakes.nilsnihil
- Scotch_Roman0
On the contrary Salarrue, I grew up in the church then walked away, disbelieving for many years. I see it as God choosing me as his own IN SPITE of my religious upbringing, which as we all know often does more harm than good for people.
I cam to faith outside of the church, away from it, through much wrestling and searching. But eventually I simply could not avoid it.
- I understand...Salarrue
- where did you finally find him?Milan
- coincidentally, in milanmagnificent_ruin
- He found me face-down in Baltimore.Scotch_Roman
- DrBombay0
I learned something new earlier today, Catholicism is the largest group of Christians in the United States. I never knew that before. Wonder who are buying all these condoms and birth control pills?
- 7point340
the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.
you who participate in these religious arguments are all that exactly
- and you come in and say the same shit a lot too, so...DrBombay
- haha do i? i tend to stay the fuck out of these threads7point34
- or you meant in general...
haha i never said i was sane.7point34 - I gotcha, I just use qbn to make fun of people and download music.DrBombay
- i use it to keep me from doing any actual work.7point34
- Haha, I will say there is a certain gleaming madness to our debates.Scotch_Roman