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- b_electro0
Vegetarian, 14+ years. I guess that means I can drive a Hummer ;-)
- Meeklo0
I don't drive a car, but I have to say I go replace laptops every 2/3 years and I have owned more than 3 cellphones in only 5 years. so not green enough I guess
- Meeklo0
A vegetarian driving a hummer produces less CO2 than a meat-eater driving a prius...
Sorry, but makes no sense to state something like that.
What if the hummer owner just got his 3rd brand new hummer 2 weeks ago, and got another one for his meat eating wife, and the prius owner lives in a house of 4 yet they all share the same car and ride bikes since 1997?Statements like that are what confuse people.
What about the vegetarians that eat out of season vegetables forcing imports like bananas from ecuador and apples from japan to their home in east coast usa? Or all the meatless products that you buy at the supermarket and have travelled on trucks from the otherside of the country just to get to your local store?
What if the meat eater is an indigenous in vietnam, that hunts and kills its pray to feed a family of 6?
Lets not add confusion, being vegetarian does not necessarily make me better than a person eating meat, that is what the vegan community like to believe, and most of them are worse than religious people, forcing their beliefs and practices on others. That right there I consider a pollution problem.
- benfal990
recycling : check
no car : check
bike 6 months/year : check
public transport. 6 months/year : check
- armsbottomer0
or are you green rather
- joeth0
People should also be aware of which kinds of meats have a bigger impact. For example, beef typically has way more environmental impact than chicken.
A vegetarian telling a meat-eater to go veg almost never works. But if you explain which ones are worse, you will probably get some people to cut down on beef consumption, which would have more of an impact overall.
- mikotondria30
It makes obvious and perfect sense, in and of itself, meeklo, as well you know...
All of the conditions that you've applied to the argument must of course, apply equally to both sides, in that.....(ok, lets make it real simple..)Consumption of an average western meat diet produces more net CO2 than the difference in the average output of CO2 between a hummer and a prius.
The production of meat produces vast quantities of CO2, so cutting this from your diet reduces the amount of CO2 for which you are responsible by a large amount. Period.
It does not make you a better person.
What would make you a better person is not being disingenuous about your understanding of what is evidently a disarming fact for you.
If you honestly think that your carbon footprint is a moral issue for you, then I can understand how that might be at odds with your reasons for eating meat, especially given your attitudes to the concepts of vegatarianism and veganisam, in that you are confusing the activties of both with the political movements of the same names.
Not eating meat doesnt really 'make' you a 'vegetarian', anymore than not eating plastic makes you a 'non-plasticarian', it's a labelling trick - there are an infinite amount of things we don't do, yet we aren't labelled by them..I totally agree with you about the meatless products travelling across the country, though - one thing that really irks me is travelling along any highway you follow trucks full of products whilst on the opposite side of the freeway there are similar trucks carrying exactly the same stuff, going the other way - until we have a political motivation for reducing waste and pollution (let alone money), then little will change in this regard.
You want to think you're making a difference to the world by reducing your carbon footprint ? Stop eating meat. You don't have to call yourself a vegetarian, you can still go out and hunt, dress, cure and cook a deer if you like. You don't have to put string in your hair, or start cooking tofu, or preaching to your friends about the poor poor animals, you just have to make another choice about what you buy and eat, it's really simple.- you said we shouldn't worry about c02 though, right?DrBombay
- I think so...did I say that ?
Yeh, yeh that's right.mikotondria3
- joeth0
The question shouldn't be "are you green?"... It should be "what are you doing to be more green?"... Once you realize that a person or a business can never be 100% green, it takes the anxiety out of it and lets you focus on the changes that mean the most to you. The more you learn, the more you want to do, and the more exciting it is. One of the biggest misconceptions about 'being green' is that it's some kind of sacrifice. It's really just about living a healthier, happier life and protecting nature so that we can all enjoy it.
As a designer, one of my biggest concerns is consumption. It's crazy how we drool over new products all the time (iPhone, etc) and are constantly looking to make the next purchase. If we really appreciate the design of something, then it should last and make us happy for a long time.
I watched this video a year ago and haven't stopped thinking about it since...
http://storyofstuff.com/TreeHugger is great daily reading...
http://www.treehugger.com/- Treehugger used to be great, but it is completely overwhelming with the 200+ articles it posts some days.calcium
- Check out World Changing:
http://www.worldchan…
The book is good too.calcium - Yeah, TH posts too much, but it's really easy to skim headlines. WC is great too, for more in-depth articles.joeth
- ukit0
I haven't owned a car for a few years, and don't use much power, except for the computer to view QBN.
- DrBombay0
I'm not stopping eating meat. Not going to do it. So I guess I am a bad guy.
- no, not really. you're alright.Point5
- perfectly fine with me.mikotondria3
- styleplus0
You people are idiots. There should be a clear definition of 'Green' given before any intelligible argument can be made on the subject at all --unless armsbottomer is using a conventional definition of 'green' (which is clearly not the case). Otherwise, a discussion is occurring around a nebulous concept of newly created term. That's it. You are all idiots.
- I think you should fuck yourself.DrBombay
- what is nebulous about polluting less?DrBombay
- I can't work out what styleplus has added to the discussion. Whatever, it was neither useful nor enjoyable.Nairn
- styleplus makes no sense and is offensive and not funny. he's a surplus. a waste to the environment.janne76
- I propose we *recycle* styleplusukit
- your mom's an idiot.Point5
- ukit0
How are we idiots I see people discussing specific ways that they are limiting their influence on the environment and helping to stop pollution. Maybe you are an idiot for not reading the thread.
- Meeklo0
It makes obvious and perfect sense, in and of itself, meeklo, as well you know...
sorry, I don't know. and I only agree with what you said about conditions being applied to both sides.
But just the fact that you are ignoring any other possible rights or wrong committed by your "meat eater" and your "vegetarian" subjects is a huge mistake in my opinion.
There are thousands of possible scenarios that can have both characters that can contradict (and affirm) that statement.
Is almost like if you were saying, that designers that use the color blue are more likely to know more about music than designers that don't use the color blue.
- Yeh, it's all good, I didnt mean to come across as such a prick, just looking for a rousing argument, thats all :)mikotondria3
- is all good, its good discussion right? thought provoking at least :)Meeklo
- and how often we find that hereMeeklo
- calcium0
While I agree that there needs to be a clear definition of "green" I also think you are being rather condescending. Obviously, "living green" is where one is making strides to living an environmentally and socially concious lifestyle.
My girlfriend and I are very invested in making sure our lifestyle has minimal impact on the environment. She's actually going back to school now for Environmental Science and Policy, so I know things are about to get even more intense at our house.
We grow some of our own food, use recycled products on whatever we can (including our carpet material), and unplug devices not in use. This is aside from all the things mentioned already.
