leica M8 vs...
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- sikma0
change sensors?!? ffs
- Yeah, not great I know, but I did it, and it is a future development for pro-cameras.Horp
- changing sensors is the very very very very very last thing that any pro needs to worry aboutsikma
- hey you're spooky! hi spooky!sikma
- isn't there a lot of fine tuning that goes into the interaction between sensors and other electronics?magnificent_ruin
- Yes loads. Hardly any compatibility between any!... which is why I had to have the Kodak to upgrade from the 6mp one.Horp
- Hi Sikma!!!!
= )Horp
- JSK0
Yes I would agree, for Leica I think it is ideal since it's price point is a lot higher. For Canon / Nikon, they would prefer selling bodies.
I think if they had hotswitch, I would get Leica. But still not sure how I trust Leica's electronic component reliability (M7 is still not at it's best)
- Thats where my RD1 triumphs as it is almost entirely a mechanical camera. I even have to manually cock the shutter.Horp
- shutter.Horp
- I really like the RD-1. It's a great camera.pylon
- I wish I had an RD1JG_LB
- I love it. Hardly ever get to use it but I hope to change that this year.Horp
- Let me know if you're ever interested in sellingJG_LB
- Horp0
^ Yeah, obviously its not a great solution, but the camera is likely to outlast any sensor. Hotswitching sensors is the best way forward for digital photography. It wasn't easy switching up in my RD1 I had to send it to some bloke in Germany who is the unspoken authority on servicing and repairing Leica. There is a lot of talk about hotswitching being the next revolution in digital photography and I think if Leica did an M9 with this capability... it would be killer.
- magnificent_ruin0
fetish item
- JSK0
Thats quite interesting. The ability to change sensor.
But this is Leica, sending it to have the sensor changed will take 6-9 months and cost 25% of the camera.Upgrading is already very pricey.
M8 upgrade to M8.2 (limited)
http://en.leica-camera.com/servi…
- JG_LB0
- Digital or film?JSK
- Film. I have an M6TTL .85JG_LB
- why not?sikma
- Very nice.JSK
- Shooting a DSLR vs an RF is like riding a loud ass Hummer instead of a hovercraft through a cemetery.JG_LB
- If I would've pulled out my 50D in either of these situations, the subjects would have noticed and the moment would have been disrupted.JG_LB
- disrupted.JG_LB
- Horp0
You can switch sensors you know.
I take your point if your point is that you are spending all that money buying all that genuine Leica goodness and then getting a shitty sensor in it, but I have an RD-1 which came with a 6mp sensor by someone (I am not hot on sensors) and I had the sensor switched for the sensor from the M8 (The RD1 was the Cosina-Kobayashi prototype commissioned by Leica for the M8).
So if I can switch up the RD1 surely you could switch up the M8 too. Sensors don't cost hardly anything at all.
- JSK0
Also, M8's sensor is not fullframe.
Leica M8
27 x 18 mm CCD sensor
Canon 5D mark II
• 36 x 24 mm CMOS sensor
- mg330
I'd love a Leica film camera, because I think it will always be nice to have a good film camera that gets a particular look to photos that you can't get with digital.
- JSK0
Leica is trying to move more in to casual users. Looking at M8.2 where things are more automatic.
- JSK0
As a digital camera, it doesnt hold weight vs other digital cameras for is price point. Granted it is RF and it is Leica mechical but Leica IMO is reliable on its mechanical movement.
Digital camera's heart is at its sensor, with out superior sensor, it can not justify the price.
- Horp0
^ How can do you mean "not worth it"?
- JSK0
Hence the cheaper price and M8 being higher end. But M8 is still not worth it.
- Horp0
^ I was refering to the Lumix range of cameras which are Panasonics with Leica badges on.
Leica doesn't make sensors in the same way that Leica never made film. They make superior lenses and precision mechanicals.
- JSK0
M8 is not panasonic.
It uses Kodak sensor.
27 x 18 mm CCD sensor (Kodak KAF-10500)
- Horp0
Buying Panasonic digital cameras with Leica badges on is wasting money on worthless status symbols, but true Leica.. proper Leica mechanicals and glass, is praised (and has been praised for so many decades) because of it's quality.
I have a simple 50mm Leica Summarit lens on my digital rangefinder and the quality of images is like nothing I have ever acheived before or seen from even the best quality DSLRs.
Some status symbols get there off the back of proven benefits and advantages, and the finest naturally costs more.
- JSK0
Leica is a solid camera for film. For digital it is hard compare with nikon or canon.
Also, if you get Leica, ideally to use Leica lens, which can be more or almost the camera lens.
- pylon0
Is it a status symbol. Sure. Are macs status symbols to some people? Sure, but it's also a tool to others.
Everything's a status symbol innit?
This is going to deteriorate into a mac vs pc argument before long.