Flash is relevant again 3737 Responses

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• sublocked

  http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_…

  Major story...

  Jul 1, 08, 2:21 p.m. – Permalink

• skt

  i'm guessing this is the same story as this thread is talking about.

  http://www.qbn.com/topics/556793…

  can't see the fuss really, none of the flash sites i make are ever promoted through search engines anyway.

  • it doesnt matter how u dress it up flash sites need srs work to seo– trooper

  

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  Dog-earJul 1, 08, 2:23 p.m. – Permalink

• sublocked

  Oops my bad...

  It's major in the fact that people who haven't been able to use flash in the past because of SEO concerns don't have to worry any longer.

  We'll start seeing a lot more flash because of this I believe.

  • this is not neccessarily a good thing– flashbender

  

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  Dog-earJul 1, 08, 2:25 p.m. – Permalink

• Iggyboo

  SEO concerns still exist until both google fully implements use with javascript and yahoo implements the adobe updates.

  

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  Dog-earJul 1, 08, 2:27 p.m. – Permalink

• harlequino

  Most anythign i've worked on in flash is usually a vanity URL that is cross promoted in other media. So what's the diff?

  

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  Dog-earJul 1, 08, 2:28 p.m. – Permalink

• hammerofdawn

  I figured it was bound to happen. In the meantime, I was told to put instance names in movie clips for seo.

  

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  Dog-earJul 1, 08, 2:28 p.m. – Permalink

• zaq

  Google has always been able to index Flash content. It's just now it claims it can do that more accurately. My prediction is that you will see a lot of links to intros or foster swf files that are missing navigation or the rest of the content.

  • that would suck– Dr_Rand

  

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  Dog-earJul 1, 08, 2:30 p.m. – Permalink

• zaq

  You will see something like that http://www.adexindia.com/default…

  • that's a nice site.– dbloc1/2

    oh god that's horrible :(– sublocked2/2

  

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  Dog-earJul 1, 08, 2:31 p.m. – Permalink

• wordsinyourmouth

  good news us for us flashers

  

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  Dog-earJul 1, 08, 2:41 p.m. – Permalink

• adev

  So is Google is going to say "Alight I found 'dog' in this SWF file, here's the link to the SWF file. Have fun locating 'dog' in it yourself"? At which point you require watching 10 minutes of spinning text, horrible music and ending clicks to find the dog.

  While a step in the right direction, until Flash has something like SWFaddress by default searching is only a minor bandaid.

  • great point– professor1/2

    point of view. sorry bad devs ruined it for you– enjine2/2

  

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  Dog-earJul 1, 08, 4:27 p.m. – Permalink

• jevad

  I'm guessing none of you have ever used deep-linking in flash.

  • im not too flash proficient...– sublocked

  

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  Dog-earJul 1, 08, 6:37 p.m. – Permalink

• Meeklo

  this might not be good news for all of those claiming that iphone killed flash

  • the war is only in the beginning stages and may or may not end soon...– dskz

  

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  Dog-earJul 1, 08, 6:51 p.m. – Permalink

• fyoucher1

  Yeh, deep-linking sux a big one. SWF Address is nice but you still have to code the logic for the url. I'm sure Adobe will come up witha solution though. Its a step forward though.

  

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  Dog-earJul 1, 08, 7:26 p.m. – Permalink

• Jugarelly

  Regardless of what they come up with they'll be some set of standards on how to structure your flash to make best use of the updated technology. It's not like all flash sites are suddenly going to be seo compliant.

  

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  Dog-earJul 1, 08, 7:29 p.m. – Permalink

• flavorful

  Silverlight will make it irrelevant again soon enough. :D

  • Yeah...that's gonna take off....any...day…– ukit1/2

    Haha, two more years probably.– flavorful2/2

  

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  Dog-earJul 1, 08, 7:29 p.m. – Permalink

• Jnr_Madison

  Hadron collider will make everything irrelevant.

  • even the serious business of the internets.– Jnr_Madison

  

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  Dog-earJul 1, 08, 7:32 p.m. – Permalink

• jevad

  Like sugarbelly said - this means flash coders might have to use more standard coding practices. Good for Flash sites, Good for Web companies, bad for hack coders.

  

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  Dog-earJul 1, 08, 7:50 p.m. – Permalink

• ukit

  Didn't someone say it doesn't index content for dynamically generated Flash sites? i.e. any Flash site that is worth indexing.

  

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  Dog-earJul 1, 08, 7:54 p.m. – Permalink

• jevad

  http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2…

  

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  Dog-earJul 1, 08, 7:55 p.m. – Permalink

• jevad

  Q: What do I need to do to get Google to index the text in my Flash files?

  Basically, you don't need to do anything. The improvements that we have made do not require any special action on the part of web designers or webmasters. If you have Flash content on your website, we will automatically begin to index it, up to the limits of our current technical ability

  

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  Dog-earJul 1, 08, 7:57 p.m. – Permalink

• ukit

  http://blog.sherpawebstudios.com…

  Yep, kinda what I suspected:

  What Google Can Crawl in Flash

  Then the designer in me asks: Flash is complex; what exactly can Google now crawl?

  * textual content in SWF files of all kinds
  * words that appear in your Flash files can be used to match query terms in Google searches
  * URLs that appear in Flash files

  What Google Can Not Crawl in Flash

  Then the critical analyst in me asks: doesn’t leave that a lot not indexed? Yes.

  * Google will not crawl Flash embedded with javascript. At this time, most Flash websites are now embedded using JavaScript due to object embedding court hearing with IE.
  * Google will not crawl external resources that are loaded by your Flash files.. A lot of flash sites use a separate flash file to load the main SWF. In essence, the only flash file that will be indexed is the loading file.
  * Google will not crawl XML files loaded by Flash. Aside of the annoying use of flash for a brochure site, most rich media sites load data via XML (separation of presentation from data is a good thing). Bye bye data.

  If I'm reading this right, the vast majority of modern Flash sites will not be included, either because they are data-driven, or embedded by JS.

  • They are a bit cagey on teh JS side of thigns - saying 'some' JS will have problems...– jevad1/2

    wow. ok, so no difference then– enjine2/2

  

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  Dog-earJul 1, 08, 8:01 p.m. – Permalink