project managers
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- peterorpete
whats your feeling on these people. At the moment i have this guy permanently behind my shoulder breathing heavily telling me how to design, doesn't allow me any time to create my own ideas up into anything good. I feel like a mac monkey producing his designs
- madirish0
this has 100% to do with the process by which the company you are with operates/delegates, and 0% to do with being a 'project manager'.
- designerror0
tell em to fuck off
I do and it works
- TheBlueOne0
I send 'em a chicken bomb. Looks like some poor soul lost his nerve on the ride into work.
- cosmicEntity0
Our project manager = Dead Wood
- honest0
Some are good others are bad. In short, they administrate. They are a conduit and will never satisfy the needs of designers since they answer to the company and deliberate for those interests and keep clients satisfied.
- they kiss ass up, while they should be kissing ass downdesignerror
- neue75_bold0
like everything, there is good and bad...
- there is bad Rand?madirish
- contraryneue75_bold
- and when he was bad...Dr_Rand
- (which was often)Dr_Rand
- i meant Dr_Rand, actually. things move too fast for me here...madirish
- gavin3100
the company hired YOU to design, not the project manager. in your review (or ask for a meeting) tell them you don't feel your project manager is letting you do your job effectively. preferably without your project manager in the meeting... i've worked with project managers who thought they could design. she wouldn't even show the client my comps, only the ones she creative directed. we lost that client because we couldn't get approved on the design.
- Soler0
Save your money. Then, move to Mexico and surf til you're old.
- livelikebruce0
Great project managers understand everyone's needs and will fight to get you the time you need. They can be your best friend in that way but poor project managers make life miserable for everyone. The good ones also know they are not designers.
- neue75_bold0
I've had amazing pm's that made my life easier, I've also had ones that thought they were the art director and even a couple in between...
it's nice to be directly involved with a client, but depending on the client or studio/agency, you can spend your day holding their hand, dealing with suppliers and starting your design work at 5pm...
best to say something now if you have an issue with a pm. but when they are good, they can make your job/life a fuck of a lot easier...
- kona0
Tell him to pick two.
-My foot in your ass
-A chair over your back
-You walk away living
Then say "The last one doesn't count". Sounds more like the guy and not his title.
- mg330
LOL at this thread, I'm sure it's brutal as a designer in some regards.
I'm a PM/Consultant myself and deal with quite a large amount of tasks and projects delegated to designers, system architects, developers, system teams, etc. but I think a great catch is that we all know our indsutry, products, best practices, those sorts of things.
We build Web sites and all other sorts of marketing technology platforms such as proposal generation systems, blogs, mini-sites, career and alumni sites, contact management, e-mail marketing, handheld sites, media centers, extranets, intranets, experience managers, etc. and all/only for law firm clients.
This is the first job I've had as a PM and I really enjoy it. Considering the industry/technology we are all expected to know our stuff and I think that helps tremendously when it comes to assigning projects and all involved knowing what works best.
- PIITB0
the pm chick at my job is scared to tell me when I have a new job because I snapped on her so many times.
just yell at them they are usually pretty easy to break down.
- canuck0
Can't stand them, they out number the designers heavily here.
- that makes no sense...very poor organisation if that's the case.sputnik2
- We have a lot of outside vendors we use.canuck
- that does seem strange...Jaline
- at the last place, there were at least 14 project managers and 5 designers. they would wait in line behind my desk.MSTRPLN
- HAHAHAHA i hear thatcanuck
- lol @ mstrpln!sputnik2
- peterorpete0
just heard him on the phone say; "Yeah i tried that, didn't look right" Im his lady of the evening basically.
- BonSeff0
they are yes men to the clients. they rarely fight to keep design integrity - all they wanna do is 'make it right' for the client.. like a cot dam car salesman
- kstarjet0
Send him to me. I've got tons of clients that NEED PMs. Get him off your back with a new job. LOL
- robotron3k0
PMs are just finger pointers. There should also be a law that says PMs need to be out of college for at least 10 years before they begin to handle a timeline and deliverables for an account. They should also be banned from talking with clients, maybe they could just respond with nods and grunts would be good enough...
- Glitterati_Duane0
I usually hate them but I recently worked with one that was actually good.
- in_the_mix0
designing websites is a project so i think managing them should be easy