leaked pa exit polls
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- Dr_Rand
where the hell are they?
- mrdobolina0
did you take the day off, Rand?
- ukit0
who'd you vote for, Rand?!
- Fred Thompsonmrdobolina
- the irish guyDr_Rand
- O'Bama?ukit
- Cyber Ron Paul?TheBlueOne
- utopian0
I am sure Fox News has them...
- mg330
Around in circles?
Posted: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 4:32 PM by Domenico Montanaro
Filed Under: 2008, ClintonFrom NBC's Ron Allen
Sen. Clinton just answered questions from reporters outside a polling place in the Philadelphia suburbs. Heading down the stretch in Pennsylvania, it seems Clinton has based her closing argument on a couple of somewhat circular or roundabout arguments, a case that might cancel itself out.First, with Barack Obama outspending her by as much as three to one, Clinton insists that if he doesn't win Pennsylvania, it shows voters have big doubts. Essentially, she's trying to turn losing into winning and turn winning around into losing. Never mind the fact that Obama can outspend her because he's raised so much more money, from many more supporters, supporters who are responsible for giving him the lead by every viable measure of the race.
What's more, Clinton's case that she's more "electable" than Obama is based, in part, on her ability to win "big states," like Ohio, New York and hopefully, for her sake, Pennsylvania. Those wins, the campaign insists, show she has the support of Democratic voters needed to win in November, while Obama does not. Essentially, she's saying she's more electable, because she can count on the support of the traditional Democratic base while Obama hasn't proven that.
Keep in mind that many in the political pundit class think it’s a stretch to draw conclusions about the fall general election race based on the party primary season. And what's more, when Senator Clinton is asked about the increasingly negative tone of the campaign that concerns some in the party, and polls showing perhaps significant numbers of each Democratic candidate's supporters saying they won't support the other, or will turn to John McCain, Clinton pushes back saying she's sure the party will be unified by November, and rally around the eventual nominee.
If that's true, and it probably is, then what difference does it make who wins the big states during the primary season? Clinton seems to believe the nominee will have the full backing of the party. So, it appears those two Clinton arguments, central to her campaign, do go around in circles, and perhaps end up weakening her case?
- ukit0
ukit predicts Clinton by 8
- Mimio0
"....there's Pittsburgh and Philly and in between is Alabama."
- TheBlueOne0
Rand, you are the you you've been waiting for.
- jasontroj0
Walking around at lunch today, seems like Philadelphia has cast its vote Obama 99 to Clinton 1. There was so much more Obama support out there today.
- utopian0
utopian predicts Bush by 12
- 5timuli0
Nice to see Clinton trying the old "Let's blow the shit out of the Iranians" tactic to rally some more support. Wish I could vote.
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- mg330
Again, as I have said many many times, HRC only looks like an idiot when she makes the argument that Obama can't win the general election if he can't win Penn.
Why doesn't anyone turn the tables and say, "Gee Hillary, how do you think those small states feel when you treat them as if they are insignificant?"
- TheBlueOne0
How awesome would it be if O actually wins PA? He won't but, one can hope...
- TheBlueOne0
- so you're anti-horse?mg33
- no. Anti-buggy.TheBlueOne
- Expect a surprise from the Black Amish voters.Mimio
- Mimio0
So what's the minimum margin for Clinton to legitimately have claim to continue for the nomination? 6+%?
- vrmbr0
i saw this documentary the other day showing republicans temporarily joining the democrats to vote for hillary in order to let mccain benefit from the struggle of the democrats..
cunts!
- Dr_Rand0
LOL@ "I Can't Stand Ed Rendell and his giant head filled with hoagie juice."
- Dr_Rand0
MSNBC David Gregory: what a douche
Pat Buchanan: why is this old racist allowed anywhere near a tv camera?
- ukit0
Joe Scarborough = bigger douche